So - does that mean the first fight between Champion and the Thing was a stalemate? The Thing would later say Champion nearly killed him - and he did get beaten within an inch of his life. But because Ben was standing on wobbly legs, because he has such great heart, and Champion saluted him as a great opponent - that's a stalemate?
It's a parallel case right beside the Odin/Thanos fight. Thanos got up quickly after some early shots, but by the end it clearly shows him painfully rising to his feet. Why did it take so many panels for him to get up, if he wasn't struggling? It's a great endurance showing for Thanos that he got that far, but that's all it is.
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Merriam-Webster's non-chess definition of a stalemate is a a drawn contest...a deadlock. Definition for a deadlock:
Main Entry: dead·lock
Pronunciation: 'ded-"läk
Function: noun
1 : a state of inaction or neutralization resulting from the opposition of EQUALLY powerful uncompromising persons or factions : STANDSTILL
2 : a tie score
Yes, Thanos showed incredible durability for standing up after those attacks. He was taking a lot of shots from Odin. However, Odin was taking shots from Thanos as well, and they weren't nearly as effective. Thanos still probably could go for quite some time, but Odin didn't exactly look tired himself.
"Nope, stalemate implies there can be no victor. Even if the battle is completely one sided, if there's no means of achieving victory, this is a stalemate."
If its completely one side, then it means whoever is on the low its holding its own against whoever is beating him/looking better.
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Then why take so many pics showing him getting up? The whole point was to show Thanos' resilience in getting up even though he was hurt. Otherwise, there was no point in the multiple pics.
I'm going to disagree with everyone and say that if thanos used all his available tech, he could beat Odin. Odin Force durability is overrated, and i think Thanos could withstand the immense, adamantium melting punishment being dished out, if he used the shields that protected him against Galactus, in his recent mini.
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Tech which only gave him short-lived protection, until he could get Galactus to listen to him.
I believe the unwritten yet understood rule in comics is, when two beings of vast power meet one another, Magic/Divine power trumps Science-Based power. Yes?
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Thanos is a fighter but it was painfully obvious that he simply was not in the same class as Odin. Odin was being nice and giving Thanos a chance to give up. Thanos, using his control of his own molecules, gradually healed himself and stood up, but there can be no doubt that he was fried to a crisp while Odin looked zestfully clean and winterfresh. If Odin had not taken pity and stopped it would have taken Thanos a lot (A LOT) longer to reform himself. But Kudos to Thanos, he got slapped around and deep fried but still had the guts to stand up again in the face of overwhleming power.
Odin gave Thanos a chance to back down with dignity. He did say Thanos has access to an infinite reservoir of power but that doesnt mean Thanos has the ability to channel much of it. In fact, he is quite limited in his ability, which is why he couldnt so much as burn a single hair on Odin's beard. Odin on the other hand has destroyed and created entire galaxies without much effort. But using the Odin Force (his infinite reservoir) leaves him tired.
I agree Galactus and the Celestials are on a higher level cosmically, than the pantheon of Earth's Skyfathers - science-based might or not. That's why Asgard & Olympus made their alliance against the Celestials thousands of years ago, to collectively resist another invasion.
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The Sky Fathers arent as powerful as the Celestials (this was a change from earlier writing by Lee/Kirby) but Galactus can't handle even one skyfather, let alone the entire pantheon. In the original conception, Odin really was all-powerful. For whatever reason, perphaps to be more "modern" and appeal to a new audience, Marvel had mechanical looking creatures like the Celestials come in and take over the God role.
He has tried and failed. He can't even beat Ego the Living planet and got his butt whipped by Ego Prime, neither of which are nearly as powerful as Odin.
Ego=Normal Galactus, Odin is powerful in his own realm but doesn't mean he can't be beat by a more powerful being. Galactus was devouring Mephisto realm and Mephisto is more powerful than Odin, Ego is like other elders banned from deaths realm so he is more durable then before. Normal Galactus =Ego <<<<< Full powered Galactus, Odin will beat Thanos regardless but it will not be a walk in the park for either of them. Thanos might win a couple that it, in asgard for get Thanos doesn't have a chance in hell outside of asgard a better chance.
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May 19th, 2006 02:57 PM
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