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Mider
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just one imp Myx when he gave 99 percent of his power to the joker the joker totally rearanged the universe, messed up the concept of death by messing with it and traped the spectre somewhere where he could escape but would have devistating consequences for the universe if he did escape.

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Originally posted by UniOmni
I thought the fight between Batmite and Mxy was elseworlds??

And for the record, Spectre has scared imps off as well. With a mere threat. So i doubt they truly exist outside the Presences jurisdiction.

So many low/weird showings......Mxy was killed by Gog in an elseworlds, and he was created by mere skyfather level beings?!! Celestials hold skyfathers in contempt..... I don't see it as cut and dry either way.
It's not on-line, it's from the OHOTMU A-Z: Benny Beckley to Crazy Eight. (And no, I don't have a scanner either.)


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you call elseworlds non canon yet you say gog killed him and that story was an else worlds?

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While on Earth, the Celestials were forced to turn on one of their own, a golden Celestial named Tiamut. Unable to slay Tiamut, they used a cosmic weapon that drove the energy from its form, turning it's armor black. The Celestials struck all records of Tiamut's name from history, so that it is now known only as either "the Black Celestial" or "the Dreaming Celestial." The Eternal Valkin witnessed this event, and the Celestial's placed their weapon into his hands for safekeeping, along with contianied energy taken from the Celestial. The Dreaming Celestial's crime remains unrevealed, although the Deviants came to believe that it was their creator, and had been punished for making them. An entire preisthood which worshipped the Dreaming Celestial came into existance over the millinnia that followed.

When tthe third Host came one thousand years ago, humanity had become the dominant species on Earth, and some of the cultures who observed the Celestials worshipped them as "Space Gods," buliding temples and statues in their honor. The Incas' City of the Space Gods, built high in the Andes, served as their main base on Earth during this host. Other beings worshiped by humanity were distressed by the Celestials' interference, and the gods Zues, Odin and Vishnu confronted the Celestials. The Eternal Ajak was sent to communicate on the Celestials' behalf, and he warned that if the gods attempted to interfere with their mission, the Celestials would sever the Earth's connections to their godly realms, denying them any contact with their worshippers.

The three gods agreed not to interfere with the Celestials for a thousand years, but Odin immediately began to prepare for an all-out war with them, fashioning the mystical armor of the Destroyer to combat them one day. The goddess and Earth mother Gaea sought a peaceful solution to the threat of the Celestials judgement and, allied with goddesses of all the Earthly religions, she began to gather what they regarded as the best specimens of humanity. Tantalus of Armechadon came to Earth during this time, but the Celestials exiled him there, leaving him unable to tend to his star-spanning empire. The Eternals Ajak and Zuras assisted the Celestials in their departure from Earth, and Ajak and Zuras assisted the Celestials in their departure from Earth, and Ajak placed himself within suspended animation at the City of the Space Gods to await the fourth Host. Zuras ordered the Eternal Ikaris to hone his powers to sense the approach of the fianl Host, so that he could revive Ajak in time. The Celestials left behind one of their vessels, which was later claimed by the mutant En Sabah Nur, eventually known as Apocalypse, who transformed himself using the Celestials' technology. (When Apocalypse entered the ship, one of the Celestials' contacted him telepathically. It gave him a choice. They would give him full access to the ship, but at some undetermined point in the future they would call on him to fulfill their wishes for something. If he refused, the ship would disappear and be lost to him forever. He accepted their terms, thus the ship became his.)

In modern times, Ikaris awakened Ajak and, alongside the humans Margo and Dr. Daniel Damian and the Deviant warlord Kro, they witnessed the arrival of the fourth Host. The Deviants, still humbled by the effects of the second Host, feared what judgement might bring, and attempted to manipulate humanity into assaulting the Host, but the Eternals were able to cooperate with humanity and convince them to let the Celestials do their work. As Eson inspected the new incarnation of Deviant Lemuria, it wound up unintentionally destroying the city, forcing the Deviants to relocate yet again. When the Deviants attempted to assault the Celestial mothership, the Eternal called the Forgotten One came to their rescue, dismantling the Deviant's bomb. The One Above All was so impressed that the Forgotten One was brought aboard the mothership and rechristened "Hero." As Hero, he was sent to warn the Eternals from interfering with the Celestials, but the Eternals' ally Thor bested him in combat.

Odin finnly convinced the Eternals to side with him against the Celestials, and Odin absorbed the souls of all the Asgardians (except Thor) into the magical Destroyer construct, expanding its size to match the Celestials and armed with the mystical Odinsword. Aided by the Eternals joined together as the psychic entity the Uni-mind, they were nevertheless destroyed by the Host. Although Thor later recovered all of the slain Asgardians with the aid of the other Earthly gods, Zurras was slain by psychic feedback from the uin-mind's destruction. Gaea finally faced the Celestials herself, and presented to them twelve young men and women she and her allies had gathered, and this offering to judge in Earth's favor swayed Arishem. The Host departed Earth with the twelve "Young Gods," whom they placed in the care of Juniper and Katos, two aliens serving aboard their mothership.

(That' it for today, I'll put the last few paragraphs in tomorrow.)


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Originally posted by Mider
just one imp Myx when he gave 99 percent of his power to the joker the joker totally rearanged the universe, messed up the concept of death by messing with it and traped the spectre somewhere where he could escape but would have devistating consequences for the universe if he did escape.


Yeah this has been explained at length already. It's nice to see you contributing though wink

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ugh I can't beleive this is still being Debated
Joker with Mxys powers destroyed the universe and then rebuilt it effortlessly in the Emeperor Joker storyline as seen here
http://img107.imageshack.us/my.php?...an583p208em.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?...an583p214tl.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?...an583p221tc.jpg

which is Cannon .

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Joker with Mxy's powers also took over the mind sof high power cosimics like Phantom Stranger, Ganthet, Zeus, Shazam, and Darkseid

http://img52.imageshack.us/my.php?i...erpage317mi.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?...erpage327lr.jpg


he also took control over the spectre with mxy's powers
http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?...el105p172oa.jpg

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and thats just one imp doing all that

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Still goes to Thanos.


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Still goes to Thanos.


no roll eyes (sarcastic)

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Guys I am ignorant of DC's Imps. What is the Fifth Dimension ? Would someone mind summarising that for me ?


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The celestials are powerful, but I can't see them winning this.
They would have enough problems with a single imp. All of them together is simply overkill.


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no roll eyes (sarcastic)
Let me clarify. The Celestials would get stomped, but Thanos with the HOTU would wipe the floor with them.


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Let me clarify. The Celestials would get stomped, but Thanos with the HOTU would wipe the floor with them.


oh I thouigh you meant Thanos by himself laughing

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the celestials could always just call in the 10th dimensional imps to wipe out the 5d imps. wink


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the celestials could always just call in the 10th dimensional imps to wipe out the 5d imps. wink



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Joker with Mxy's powers also took over the mind sof high power cosimics like Phantom Stranger, Ganthet, Zeus, Shazam, and Darkseid

http://img52.imageshack.us/my.php?i...erpage317mi.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?...erpage327lr.jpg


he also took control over the spectre with mxy's powers
http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?...el105p172oa.jpg


Interesting allusion in the first 2 scans to the Anti-Life Equation.

Reminds me of the time when Darkseid floats through space holding a piece of paper that states something along the lines of: 'Anti-life equation = Mr Mxy.... + Batmite'

Kind of gives credence to that in a convoluted manner.
DC needs to explore into the 5th dimension some more. Could be, and I'm just musing, that just as in the Marvel Universe Cosmic Cubes can develop sentience and take on a life, and a will, of their own, that maybe the 5th Dimension (and the denizen imps) might be infact manifestations of the ALE.
In which case we are talking about some major potence here.
And it is easy to see from what Batmite and Mr Mxy were doing, or for that matter the way the Joker, with 99% of Mxy's power, was fiddling with the universe as if it was no joke (and even taking over folks like Ganthet, SkyFather etc, as well as the Spectre).
The whole imp/5th dimension thing is definitely more than just some silly-looking magical guy. This is not some male pixie thinking it is Zatanna or Zatarra. Shifting reality like it is nothing, and pwning truly uber characters like they were naught, brings into question just what the nature of the imps and the 5th dimension truly is.
And the allusions to the anti-life equation muddy the water a bit more.
Suffice it to say that the imps are definitely more than meets the eye, and the whole shebang might be some manifestation of some of the more seminal foundation powers in the DCU.

In the beginning .....


Anyways, the Imps take the Celestials.
While the Celestials are (basically, or at least arguably) omnipotent, imps are above 'mere' omnipotence (.....and no, I comprehend that omnipotence signifies being allpowerful, and thus it is illogical to have anything above that! However in the case of the imps logic doesn't suffice, and thus it is possible to give them an 11 out of a scale that maxes out at 10 )


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though i remain not wholly convinced (though as i said featwise imps have it all over celestials) i hope you're right about the imp importance. they have always been silly little things that seem to serve no purpose. merely being 5th dimensional should NOT be enough to grant the power (and it IS debatable if mxy even HAS powers or whether he just uses 5d science ala ironman or batman to make it LOOK like he has powers). dc also made them look silly and less than by having 10d beings come in and kick their arses. how many dimensions are there? is each higher more powerful than the lower ones? where does it stop?

imps are silly and emerpor joker should never have happened . . .


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Well, Celestials are bound by logic and the rules of the universe somewhat, while imps aren't.

In the 5th dimension eyes, even Celestials would appear as paper to them.


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but the question is why? why can't a cosmic entity percieve things in higher dimensional levels. i mentioned the watchers battling across all levels of reality. odin has done something similar.

and again, the 5d imps are nothing to the 10d ones. where does it stop?


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