Yes but it's been shown that he can solo Surfer, and he DOES compare. DOS Doomsday, doesn't have the feat list of the Hulk, but does that mean that the Hulk automatically wins a fight between the two?
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The Runner being able to solo the surfer does not mean he can solo hal jordan. ABC logic doesn't work on these forums. Hal Jordan has a ring that can do literally ANY Thing he can imagine. Not just make things. But it can do anything. It can turn hal into eneregy, make him invisable, rewrite his genetic code to give him more powers, the runner is outclassed.
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So your saying what? What the hell does Doomsday have to do with this thread? I said that Hal Jordan's powers make it easy for him to get the win over the Runner. It's that simple. The runner doesn't or hasn't shown the versatility to over come someone who can do anything they can will themselves to do. Hal could de Evolve the runner as easily as Thanos did.
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IF Thanos was using the time gem, the runner would have been standing still locked in time. Just becuz thanos had it, doesn't mean he was using it when he got speed blitzed. It doesn't even mean Thanos was using it in an effective way. Anyone who can control time can just make thier opponents stop.
point is that runner was so fast thanos didnt have any time to think about using the gem, just like hal wouldnt have enough time to think about using his ring
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The point is, Hal doesn't have to think about using the ring. The ring auto protects the wearer. The shields would be up any way if they are out in space fighting, or is hal traveling in space with no protection?
Does he have the Space Gem? For that matter, how does he even know about that, it's not as well known as the weaknesses covered by 'Basic Knowledge).
And the Runner has cosmic power, but he lacks in feats due to limited appearances(just like DOS Doomsday, that's why I brought him up), however since one of his feats IS taking out Surfer, it seems a little unreasonable to automatically assume he'd go down against someone like Hal, unless your willing to say that DOS Doomsday loses to Hulk, when his biggest feat was taking out Superman.
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Your saying someone like Hal is some pushover. And the Runner hasn't shown use of the cosmic power other than the very basics. What else can I go on. IT's easy to say who woudl win in a fight with Hulk and Doomsday since they are both very limited characters. With Hal and the runner, I can only go off of what I know them to be able to do and what they are shown. If the Runner had turned the surfer into a popscicle or rewound time or anything like that, then I would be inclined to give him the edge. as of now, he seems to be like the other elders. Having vast power but only focusing in a limited area of expertise.
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I said if. But it doesn't matter, If they are fighting, meaning they are engaged in a battle, Hal already has his shields up. IT doesn't say that on the count of three the fighters will go. It doens't give any stips like that. Also, The rings auto protect, the ring would scan a high velocity object and instantly autoprotect.
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Aren't we all? We dont' know if the fighters start at the same time on the count of Go. We dont' know where they are fighting. We dont' know how far they are apart. So what else is this entire argument based off of if not speculation?
Sure the Runner can Speed blitz hal if all four of them are standing around having drinks and then out of theblue the runner charges. But I'm thinking that if they are fighting, then they know they are fighting, or that they know they are about to fight. So Hal would be ready with His shields up. His shield is up when he's flying right? Or did the thread starter say they all start on the ground? See with no stips, i have to go with what is logical, all characters can fly, then they are all in the air and hal has his shield up. The ring auto protects, so i have to assume that it would protect hal from a speed blitz.
Yes but he's not TOTALLY focused.He's shown to be at least as strong as the Surfer physically, and your forgetting his likable ability(or whatever the Hell it is). Hal's not going to be able to fight to his full potential because his powers depend on will. And his will is going to be affected by the Runners power. I'm not saying that it's going to be negated, but it IS going to be reduced.
AND your assuming that it's going to start off Supes/Surfer & Hal/Runner, but with basic knowledge, it's more likely that Supes would square off with Runner(because Runner hasn't shown Surfers ability to replicate Supes weaknesses), and Surfer would square off with Hal(because they're the big energy manipulators). And as bad as Supes is, I don't think he could take an Elder of the Universe.
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Yeah he can. The Elders are ok. But they don't seem to be all that. They have had thier asses handed to them. Being an elder doesn't exactly mean your unbeatable. The elders are pretty unbeatable in thier stick, unless your just as good, in that area. But they dont' go around practicing using the cosmic power in all advanced areas.
Like the gamesmaster is very very very smart. But he doens't go around transmuting things. You get what I'm saying. You'd be hard pressed to out smart the gamesmaster, but to knock him off his block wouldn't take galactus lvl power.
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