But the point is that everyone is under the misconception that Onslaught's creating of a second sun was done under his power. That was not the case...it was Franklin's power. Franklin's power was not an extension of his own...think of it like his Power Gem, or Infinity Gauntlet.
Onslaught was basically Xavier+Magneto, and those two are hopeless against a full-powered and ravenous Dark Phoenix.
And Jean was able to remove the psionic blocks that Onslaught placed in Juggernaut's mind. And if Nate has equal power, so what? He certainly didn't have the experience or wisdom.
Both times (Dark) Phoenix was defeated in the original story line was because she took herself down. No one short of herald is taking Dark Phoenix out.
The Actual PHOENIX FORCE (NOT Jean, the FORCE itself) was shattered into a BILLION Pieces because of this, even the stinking OFFICIAL Marvel Site Bio expresses this FACT.
That's the third or fourth time you've said that. Stop post-whoring.
First of all, character statements mean nothing until we've seen a display of such power, on panel. That statement is nothing but hyperbole...which happens a lot in comics. (Ie. Psylocke's 'teke' being able to destroy mountains).
Secondly, Onslaught didn't take him down in any sort of fight...IIRC, he came up behind him through a portal and abducted right in front of Mr. Sinister.
Thirdly, you'd have us believe that Nate Grey is capable of supernova-ing a sun?
I say you're quite insane.
I'm not saying Nate didn't have the potential to reach Dark Phoenix type levels, but he certainly wasn't capable of exhibiting that type of power when Onslaught took him...nor could he stand up to a Thanos clone in PSI battle a short time later.
And your point with these scans is what? That Onslaught can crush an avatar on the astral plane? And? Why wasn't he able to wrest the "secret" of the PF from Jean, considering that he had the Professor's TP (who knows her better than just about anyone)? Why did he ask her to join instead of just taking her like he did Franklin and Nate?
The force was shattered because the host was dead. This is nothing new. It doesn't diminish the power of Phoenix in the slightest. And that wasn't "White Crown" Phoenix. That wasn't until Jean had transcended after Here Comes Tomorrow.
And you certainly can't compare the actions of a benevolent behaving Jean Grey to the malefic nature of Dark Phoenix. Onslaught was powerful, no doubt. He's also very calculating.
DP isn't calculating in the slightest. She doesn't have to be. The more she uses her power, the more it grows. If you want to raise the issue of Phoenix as well as DP, then use the feats as well--all of them.
Rachel Summers (while in the 616 Universe) with the PHOENIX FORCE getting Owned by Mordred, and Mordred is in ANOTHER Universe, (Mordred has absolute control of Rachel)
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Mr Master what a joke you are i have been on this site for over a month or so and everybody i have a conversation with laughs at you heheh
that was not the phoenix onslaught crushes period,they are in the astral plane and he is trying to convince jean to take his side,also you love to use the scan from a crossover which is not allowed but you do it anyway,you quote from a bio for your own good but then you put down when people say the phoenix was instrumental in galactus's origin which comes from a bio,you really think your flunkies think you know better than marvel? ive seen in other threads where you are called out for misrepresenting the scans you post and you disappear with your tail between your legs,not everybody can scan and upload pics and such that does not make them wrong, you act like a bully, in Brooklyn New York your called a punk
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