You're suggesting that "God" Rugal is more powerful than Incarnate, who Ryu was able to beat with the only weapon that could counter the Dark Dragon Blade's power.
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Where in my post did I imply that you said Ryu cannot lose, go and point that out for me.
There is nothing wrong with asking for proof in a debate. Nothing wrong with wanting proof to a claim. I just think there's something wrong when everytime something is brought up, someone says "prove it" especially when it's known to the general public, it just looks like someone doesn't even read/know about the media. If someone said, "Bison could blow up the earth by blinking an eye!" then I could see what you mean. Otherwise it looks like a way to stall when you ask for it all the time.
Many characters make "after images of themselves" God Rugal has a warping ability. Unblockable attacks, good range, power attacks, and several advanced death attacks. He is basically on S. Gouki's level, a God Tier character.
Prove it.
Oh and I never said "beause I said so", my point is that an attitude that was presented shows that no matter of "proof" would convince most otherwise in the first place.
Where in my post did I imply that you said that I claimed Ryu cannot lose, go and point that out for me.
Yeah it's quite obvious Rugal does not win this match unless you can at least convince me that he's more powerful than the devil Incarnate (both versions of him)
Ryu can teleport instantly.
To the cast of KOF.
Ryu can shoot down crows that are thousands of feet in the air.
Ryu has annihilating attacks and can kill just about anyone with the DDB or the TDS.
Still not convinced.
Since you apparently can't prove Rugal can beat Ryu I'm going to say M. Bison doesn't stand a chance in hell against Tina because I don't think I can prove that either.
Well you haven't said anything that convinced me. How about playing Ninja Gaiden or finding out about it since I don't only study one side of the debate. I try getting all the knowledge I can on Rugal and I haven't read upon anything that would prove a match for Hayabusa. Oh, and Rugal's not winning due to popular vote.
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Because you were the one who went and brought up how you thought Ryu lost to several people and I never brought up that you didn't say he could lose. This bad communicating of yours makes it look like you were trying to defend the point that you don't think he's as unbeatable as you make him out to be... which you kind do...
Do you mean only with his huge plot-device sword, that granted him a plot device win? This was worse than when Snake fanboys said Snake beats everyone because he beat Cyber Ninja.
Firstly this makes no sense, teleportation IS going from one place to another instantly...
There are characters in both fighting game series who teleport and aren't as strong as Rugal, does teleporting grant an instant win? Does it make him unhittable now?
God Rugal has ways of getting around too...
No, to everyone who faced the raging demon. How do you block a grab move that is one of the most powerful attacks around. Prove your assumption to me, oh wait you can't?
Rugal and Shin Gouki can fire island (and much more) destroying blasts in the air.
This is starting to sound fanboyish. "This character can kill almost anyone." I don't think Rugal can kill anyone, but I sure as hell think he's one of the most powerful fighting characters around. Rugal has several annihilating attacks, his whole style is based off of it. "Genocide Cutter" "God Press" " God Walk" "G- End"... he can kill just about any fighter with those. Unless you're going DBZ tier, or Darkstalker Tier.
BTW do you think Ryu would beat Jedah with his sword?
My job isn't to *make* you see anything, I don't do that because some people just won't be convinced that what they love loses. But that doesn't mean noone has shown you anything was my initial point in the first place.
And you can't do Vice Versa.
What you said doesn't even make sense. You were supposed to be dissing me right?
I am familiar with Gaiden, and yes I know he's powerful. I don't think he wins against top tiers without his sword, and I don't think he beats the absolutely most powerful with his sword.
Popular votes mean squat nowadays, they can be manipulated and trolled with ease. Most people who *posted* here agreed that G. Rugal wins, and he definitely wins hand to hand and without Ryu having the sword.
- You were saying in the beginning, whenever someone claims Hayabusa loses we get a "prove he loses". Well yeah, it's appropriate to try and prove that he would lose because he has fought opponents Rugal would never dream of fighting.
- ....ok...and just what have you said that makes it seem like Rugal will win besides "Ryu's just not beating Rugal"?
- Not all teleportation happens instantly in games. I can give a few examples. I'm just pointing out that it's instant in this case. I was also pointing that out because you mentioned Rugal has a warping ability. I'm countering your facts with mine.
- Ok...who outside of KOF are you speaking of? A grab? Haha, oh yeah Hayabusa better watch out for that...how about trying to block a Storm of the Heavenly Dragon, eh? Try proving Rugal would have a way around that.
- When has Akuma or Rugal fired island destroying blasts in the air? If so, why didn't they just destroy battlegrounds and blast their opponents to smithereens?
- You obviously do not know much about the Dragon Sword. In it's true form, it holds unimaginable power that is even greater than the Dark Dragon Blade's. That's stating facts, that's not fanboyish. Also, I'm not giving my opinion on that question since I'm not knowledgable on Jedah.
- I was convinced several times about who Ryu would lose to. In fact, you can go to the Hayabusa gauntlet thread to see who I stated Ryu would lose to. As for why I'm not convinced, I don't see Rugal standing after Ryu decapitates him with his sword, and he has moves that makes him invulnerable in the process. Added he has a plasma sword as well, and up to three talismans of rebirth that revive him each time he dies.
- I could if I wanted to, since I'm getting more knowledge on Rugal as we speak. Also, if you admit that you can't prove Rugal would win why were you saying in the beginning he isn't beating Rugal?
- No. I was going by that claim because you were making a claim that you show you can't prove.
- I agree. He can lose to top tiers without his sword. From the beginning, you were saying Ryu cannot win with his sword, which is ridiculous.
- People here know little about Ninja Gaiden apparently. I've seen a number of SF/KOF fans that seem obssessed with top tiers like Akuma, Geese Howard, etc. Also, I've noticed a lot of ignorance about DOA's top tiers, as no one but a few has pointed out the facts and feats of those characters. And again, Rugal at his fullest may beat Ryu without his sword. Though with it, I don't see any form of Rugal being a bigger threat than Incarnate was.
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The Devil Incarnate has two forms. One was the Vigoor Emperor and the other one was Murai.
Cakewalk? Go fight him on Master Ninja mode and then judge. His attacks are the most devastating of any other opponent in the game.
Prior to the fight, a swordsmith by the name of Muramasa stated that the true from of the Dragon Sword would prove more than a match for the Dark Dragon Blade. This is about a weapon that holds unimaginable power, and which was existant since the dawn of history. Only the True Dragon Sword's power can counter it and nothing else can. Story-wise, Ryu would not have won if it weren't for the weapon.
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My point was that in the beginning, a person often uses "prove he loses" as a crutch when they have no information. It's obvious when I'm in a debate I'm trying to prove that the character that I'm supporting will win. If you were to ask me to "prove that Akuma can warp" or something like that, it would be different. But I notice when people say "prove this" and "prove that" it's usually a way to get the other person to contribute information that they themselves don't possess, so they throw it off on the other person.
A,B,C arguments don't really work here, because characters fight bosses in storylines that are much more powerful than them and they use plot devices to defeat them and whatnot. Just because they can beat one character doesn't mean they can beat another, because each person they fight is different. This only produces a featwar, which goes nowhere because it's a circular and flawed argument. Not to mention the fact that God Rugal (notice I'm talking about him only), only existed in one endings and is considered a God of Fighting.
If that's all I said then you are either trying to ignore me, or you're just throwing dirt at me. We've both said other things otherwise, my point was it's more or less of a way to get off a wall when a person *always* asks to prove something, without doing research themselves.
But the problem is that this isn't a game, no different than the comic versus forum isn't a comic, it's a hypothetical match with stipulations and rules, and they are there for a reason. In the mixing of characters things, often become inconsistant and make the argument difficult.
A teleport should be instant movement, or it isn't a teleport. If you mean the time it takes for the character to initiate the teleport or recover from it, then that is a different thing entirely.
I understand what you mean, don't worry.
You can call it warping or teleporting, the point is that he uses it to become invurnerable and gets from one place to another fast. He's completley invurnerable during his "God Walk".
God Rugal himself wasn't a simple KOF character, he existed in a blended universe and was top tier there along with Shin Gouki, you should know this.
This proves you don't know how the raging demon works.
A God Walk.
Well Akuma in the time of Alpha Two was strong enough to simply destroy an island by punching it, and he has destroyed a mountain as well. He and G. Rugal would be able to decimate those and tidal waves with their Ki shots.
Akuma did punch an island down with his normal punch, S. Gouki is much worse.
And your reason for this claim is.
Fanboyish is saying that he can beat almost anyone and anything, it makes you look like you support it blindly.
That's smart.
Was convinced or you initially thought?
Rugal has plenty of moves with invisible start up time, and can God Walk indefinitely.
Kaiser Wave, G. End, Total Annihilation, Gigantic Pressure are all power-killing moves. A G. Rugal would waste a plain Gouki or Bison with little effort, that is extremely powerful and impressive. G Rugal has Rugal's and Akuma's power within him.
Well I'm glad I accomplished that... however why are you saying he can't win or anything else, if you don't admittedly know much about Rugal (especially God Rugal). I appreciate you trying to learn more, but it goes back to what I was saying.
Prove to whom?
That he can't beat him, but if you don't know much about the character then your judgement is ultimately flawed...
He would lose to mid top tiers as well. But again you are learning about G. Rugal so your claim is null.
There are alot of those fans, but there are fanboys of DOA, Tekken, and Pokemon who are obsessed with their characters and genuinely hate the most popular, and those are the ones you mentioned. People like I, hoshi, Darkstorm, and Dvampire were here years ago clearing up their name in spite of the people who brought it down, including fanboys on both sides.
I've noticed otherwise.
*May* beat Ryu without his sword? I'll let you research a bit more before you post next time.
We shouldn't really consider Capcom vs SNK 2 as canon. We all know crossovers are bullshit and always fail to respect every single character. Just a look at the poster boys being Ryu & Kyo and you can already tell it's bullshit.
Well you started in saying that Ryu's not winning against Rugal. You've made a claim that you haven't proven, and I've read all about Rugal Bernstein as of now.
Alright. I'm just pointing out Ryu beat the devil, and yes it does matter in this case.
I've read all about Rugal on answers.com as well as wiki. I do not believe that he would beat Ryu, hence why I asked you to prove that Rugal can win.
My point was not all teleportations in games are instant and I know this. Anyways, Ryu doesn't take time nor does he recover from it.
Then I guess we have two invulnerable characters fighting each other. Ryu's also immune while casting magic, thought I should just mention that.
I do know. What I meant was who outside SNK vs. Capcom and I know he's not a simple character. He's one of the best in the series since he can use the Satsui no Hadou.
On the contrary, this proves you don't know how easily Ryu could deal with that.
He doesn't do it all the time. It will hit him at some point.
I don't think so. They used certain techniques in order to do those feats, not their strength. Take Feng Wei for example he was seeking the God Fist which gives a user the ability to shatter an entire mountain with one hand. He does not have the strength but the ability to accomplish a feat such as that as a result of learning a technique specially made for that type of ability. Akuma did not do it through sheer strength, and I doubt his hadouken can destroy an island. Either way, Ryu fought an opponent with planet-destroying capabilities and won.
Wrong my friend, he used a technique to do that, not his sheer power.
Yeah and Evil Ryu is a Ryu not holding back.
That you're starting to think it's fanboyish to say the TDS holds unimaginable power and so on, when it's factual that it is.
Coming from someone who recently stated Rugal can kill just about any fighter.
Sure and do you think Rugal can beat Xemnas with his power?
...what?
Hmm well I'm not going to ask you to prove it since it's turns out to be a game mechanic. Anyway, Ryu can teleport indefinitely and is immortal.
Extinction Straight Slash, Storm of the Heavenly Dragon, True Dragon Gleam are all killing moves. An Evil Ryu would waste a plain Alma and Doku with little effort, that is extremely powerful and impressive. Ryu is a master of the TDS.
You proved nothing.
I was not saying he can't win and I know all about Rugal.
Not really and you still have not proved your statement.
To anyone if you could. You were saying Ryu isn't beating Rugal and you've yet to prove it.
For the 4th time, I know just about all there is to know about Rugal whereas you apparently know very little on Ryu.
I wouldn't say would, I would say could. Unless you can prove this second statement, I'm holding it as bullshit.
Top tiers was referring to god tiers; same thing. Point is, they don't stand much chance against him with his weapon and techniques.
My argument still stands that people hardly know anything about Ninja Gaiden and obsess about other games, and that is why several people on this forum downplay Ryu whenever he's brought up in a thread topic.
Actually me, S. Prime, E. Ashtar, and maybe a few others I've seen say anything about DOA's top characters. I mainly hear people talk about SF and KOF characters on this forum.
No need for that since I know pretty much all there is to know about Rugal as of now. I suggest that you learn more about Ryu's potential and learn exactly what his weapon is, what it was made for, and the challenges that he already faced, before posting a useless rebuttal.
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Rugal has made non-canon appearances as a playable character in The King of Fighters '98 both as normal Rugal and Omega Rugal, in The King of Fighters '2002 just as Omega Rugal, and in the Capcom vs. SNK series as normal Rugal and a new version, God Rugal. The latter version was designed by Capcom, not SNK, and is the result of Rugal having absorbed Akuma's Satsui no Hadou (or dark hadou) power after defeating him in battle. His capabilities were also toned down in the Capcom vs. SNK series, to make him more balanced against the rest of the cast. After a player defeats God Rugal, at the end of the cutscene and before the credits, Rugal undergoes a transfiguration and his visage clearly resembles Akuma's, hinting that Akuma's spirit was able to overtake his body, due to his weakened condition (creating a true "God of Fighting"), or perhaps something else. This can also be seen as an homage to Rugal's death in the King of Fighters canon.
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This is simply amazing, I love when people have the arrogance to think they know everything, and ask someone else to prove everything, when the best they can come up with is something they read off of wiki, showing they know very little about the game mechanics in the first place. I've noticed this same technique in many of your debates, you sit and argue one-sided. You don't know much about Soul Calibur as it seems, but you are so convinced that one character is uber so you stroke their genitals and ignore everything to your own content. An ignorant, pointless, and annoying opponent to deal with.
Actually very many people started in saying that, but earlier in this thread (and in others) you go on saying that Ryu Hayabusa beats any SF and KOF character with his swords. While I tried to be sportsmanlike and not call you a fanboy, you are making it so damned hard when you read whatever you want to read and ignore the rest.
I've said much on the knowledge on the behalf of God Rugal (for the thousandth time), but the problem is you know little. You think it is my job to sit and cater to you until you agree with me and it isn't. You don't even know much about the character or else you wouldn't have to sit and read wiki. How contradictory, hypocritical, arrogant, and stupid is that?
Yes because reading a few sites substitutes for actual gameplay and genuine knowledge... this place has definitely changed around here since I left, now I know what my friends are talking about.
Have you even played anything besides DOA, Tekken, and Final Fantasy?
Why does it? Does it go with the stipulations of this matchup? Ryu Hayabusa and G. Rugal, and in various settings?
Because you weren't convinced with the very limited knowledge you have, that's not my problem. I'm not here to cater to you. Or even *make* you believe anything. You won't budge on Hayabusa as it is anyways.
So he just stays inbetween the teleport permenantly? Because if he doesn't then it takes a matter of time to initiate and recover. Teleportation is instant travel, so what you are saying is redundent.
Neither are invurnerable but Game Mechanics are a pain in the ass. G. Rugal uses his move to become invincible, the other is simply a Game Mechanic, such as invincibility while using Super Specials/Combos.
Who has he fought, he has limited appearances as it is...
No, your comment of "Hahaha a grab move" shows me that you don't know truly what it is... not to mention that you seem to be under the false impression that Ryu is unhittable for some reason. And in all forms that the match stipulates him fight in...
And the same can't be said for your character and his limited use of abilities, and time it takes to charge them. Rugal uses a God Walk very often and will easily God walk out of a powerful move when fighting to the best of his abilities.
You're so very wrong, Akuma *punched* an island down, (prove that he didn't). And how are you trying to take the validity of a feat down by saying it's a technique, every ****ing thing is a technique in some form or another. The mountain he punched down in Alpha 2 is not Ayers rock, THAT was the special technique. This is a stupid argument, especially when your characters relies on shitloads of magical items to begin with. In some forms of media even Ryu has shown to have power to destroy a mountain. And S. Gouki is more powerful than he was in Alpha 2. It happens very quickly.
You love your plot devices don't you?
Bison has the capabilities to destroy a planet and he's lost to Gouki, Gouki has destroyed a Comet... Featwars are stupid for this reason.
Can you show me where this is stated that he is unable to destroyan island.
And Evil Ryu isn't in this thread, whereas G. Rugal is on the same level as S Gouki, and you are trying to say he doesn't even have much of a chance in h2h combat is utter bullshit.
Because all you are doing is using a broad generalization of a claim. It doesn't matter. It's like me saying " Ryu has limitless potential"... can you put this amount into a number, or do you want me to drool over it. You said that it could beat basically anyone or anything and it sounded fanboyish, especially with Darkstalkers characters around.
Wrong, I said he could beat a good many in *most* fighting games, because SF has the highest tier fighters, along with MK. He would lose horribly to many like DS characters.
You are the one who said Ryu Hayabusa can take the SF cast in SF vs. DOA, and you don't even know much of the characters, so it's fanboyish.
Being defensive over something I was agreeing with you on. *sigh*
Nevermind, I saw that thread. And you went in guns blazing saying Ryu pwns everything until you fell on your face and realized he was using his hands, and even then people said he lost to the female ninjas. Do you not think G. Rugal couldn't beat those?
Go to the SF vs. MK thread for this. Scorpion does the same ass thing and even he would lose. Without some serious help on his side.
Bison's super Psycho Crusher would tear him apart. Bison destroyed a huge area when he was simply mad and did little else. I'm betting Gill could whooop him, due to his Resurrection and ability to make meteors fall from the sky.
I proved that you don't know much about G. Rugal and you will go on any lengths to prove Ryu wins.
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And this is the comment you always run back to when you have nothing else. *yawn* Crutch-noun
1. a staff or support to assist a lame or infirm person in walking, now usually with a crosspiece at one end to fit under the armpit.
2. any of various devices resembling this in shape or use.
3. anything that serves as a temporary and often inappropriate support, supplement, or substitute; prop: He uses liquor as a psychological crutch.
4. a forked support or part.
5. the crotch of the human body.
6. Also, crotch. Nautical.
a. a forked support for a boom or spar when not in use.
b. a forked support for an oar on the sides or stern of a rowboat.
c. a horizontal knee reinforcing the stern frames of a wooden vessel.
7. a forked device on the left side of a sidesaddle, consisting of two hooks, one of which is open at the bottom and serves to clamp the left knee and the other of which is open at the top and serves to support the right knee.
–verb (used with object)
8. to support on crutches; prop; sustain.
See what I mean...
Crutch-noun
1. a staff or support to assist a lame or infirm person in walking, now usually with a crosspiece at one end to fit under the armpit.
2. any of various devices resembling this in shape or use.
3. anything that serves as a temporary and often inappropriate support, supplement, or substitute; prop: He uses liquor as a psychological crutch.
4. a forked support or part.
5. the crotch of the human body.
6. Also, crotch. Nautical.
a. a forked support for a boom or spar when not in use.
b. a forked support for an oar on the sides or stern of a rowboat.
c. a horizontal knee reinforcing the stern frames of a wooden vessel.
7. a forked device on the left side of a sidesaddle, consisting of two hooks, one of which is open at the bottom and serves to clamp the left knee and the other of which is open at the top and serves to support the right knee.
–verb (used with object)
8. to support on crutches; prop; sustain.
I don't see where you know so much about Rugal by reading wiki, but then again fanboys don't have good logic at all, and they aren't known for sanity. I really haven't shown that I dont' know much about Ryu because I haven't over/underrated him at all. I didn't say he couldn't use an attack, or that he was weak, etc. etc. Should I worship him and drool on his posters like you?
I can go with could because he has a chance. But by mid top I mean characters just below, SFA3 Bison, Gill, etc.
Guys like Ryu, and Urien...
I am going to use your favorite tactic and ask you to prove it.
So is that why you go out of your way to overhype him?
I hate when people downplay characters too, but to gain respect is to respect both ends. Ninja Gaiden is a popular game and I'm sure quite a few people have played it and DOA, they just aren't as fanatic.
That's because they say what you like. I've seen Darkstorm mention it too... but that's just because SF and KOF are most popular, DOA has been vastly overrated as well, along with Pokemon, Tekken, and *cringes* Master Chief...
No, those things you read about G. Rugal are very limited, and is who I'm talking about, I don't think you've comprehended that since the start.
All the knowledge of your favorite character don't really help you when you are plainly biased in your arguments.
Don't get me wrong. I love the game. However it is obvious most rivalries are not dead even. Come on Ryu & Kyo? Terry's the better match for Ryu, but hey at least they got Ken to rival Terry.
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And normal Gouki beats Rugal as well, but it's to enhance the plot. For some reason I enjoyed Ken and Terry being Rivals though, I guess they are just more charismatic.
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