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Originally posted by Estacado
Wolverine beating Brock????
Give me a break fanboy...

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Originally posted by llagrok
Venom's strength around the time Eddie slit his wrists was pretty pathetic. I still say Mac Venom is far stronger. Make it a thread and see what the people say.

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Originally posted by braz
Mac is stronger than Classic Brock when he first got the symbiote, but Brock is still better with it.

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Originally posted by Estacado
Gargan isn't stronger then Brock. He didn't got any upgrade since he got the suit and he has difficulties with baring it.

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Originally posted by braz
What is Classic Venoms strength level, when he first bonded with the symbiote?

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Originally posted by braz
So when Venom first bonded with it, he was like Class 50+?

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Originally posted by red symbiote01
sorry to intterrupt but carnage would ko venom in full form or just bond with him ....

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Originally posted by llagrok
Not even close.

He was slightly stronger than Spidey. This recent venom has proven to be insanely durable and capable of expanding his mass. Like you saw in his fight against Jack flag.

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Originally posted by llagrok

Though there is only ONE true Venom and that is Brock. You can tell that Mac has no real skills, it's the symbiote doing all the work

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Originally posted by Sam Z
Brock-Venom could do that as well, and his durability feats are much more impressive than Gargan's. Brock was said to be class 11, but it was always demonstrated that he's MUCH stronger than that.

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Originally posted by braz
Okay, but wait..Did Venom ever undergo any upgrades in strength or durability up until the point where he did things like lifting that giant bulldozer..?

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Originally posted by Sam Z
He lifted giant bulldozers and destroyed tanks before the upgrades. It was classic Brock-Venom.

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Originally posted by braz
So in your honest opinion, what class would u say he was in? 15, 20?

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Originally posted by llagrok
Brock himself was pretty strong without the symbiote wasn't he? Not on a superhuman scale though.

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Originally posted by Sam Z
Well, Spider-man was concidered to be class 10 at the time but was able to lift around 15 tons when stressed or pissed. Venom was always stronger than him. Also he wrestled with Carnage(who's oficially class 50) and won couple of times. IMHO he was around class 30 at the time.

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Originally posted by braz
Thats pretty reasonable. It's just, I didnt know all this stuff about him. Guess it's better to rely on feats rather than profiles, eh?

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Originally posted by Sam Z
Yeah, I believe so too.
Half of Jugernaut's profiles say that he's class 90

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Originally posted by braz


Classic Juggs?? If so, thats just f*cked up. And actually I'd really say Spideys around class 25 if we're going by feats, I've seen him lift mini tanks over his head and with the tap of his finger he tipped over a railroad car.