Irrelevant. Champ has a fairly lousy record considering someone his age. Both are or were universal fighting champs. Henshaw owned Mongul who's no slouch...at least no more of a slouch than Champ is.
Depends..how far do you want to go? All the way to just pure Hank Henshaw? Just before the rings?
Henshaw could easily memorize Champs fighting styles if he had to, and he's far faster and smarter than champ. Plus his ability to fly...etc. Out of both characters...Henshaw is the one best suited to adapt as that is his nature.
The same can be said for Henshaw. The guy has whipped up impressive stuff on the fly. I haven't seen Champion fight someone like Henshaw. The closest in Thanos and we saw how that went with a little tech and some smarts on Thanos end.
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Rubbish. He has a fairly losuy record? Did you even look at the scans I showed you? What easily throwing off Savage Hulk, Thor, Namor, Wonder Man, Thing, Sasquatch, Doc Samson...champion had his hands on his hips he hardly did anything. He then gives them extra training and stomps them all.
Furthermore he fight between She-Hulk and him was PIS. He is much stronger than She-Hulk and is a better fighter. How do I know he is a better figher, because he took Mantis out in one move and was about to kill her. Mantis H2H skills are comparable to Gamoras. So in order for her to beat Champion she would have to train She-Hulk to be MUCH better than herself.
Oh I see so their both universal champions so that means they both have the same skill level? Ok both Punsiher and Captain America are martial art experts so Punisher is as good as Captain America.
Yeah? Well Champion is much stronger than Superman. The reason why I know this is because Thor was at least able to punch Superman to the ground and take his heat vision, yeah Superman beat him easily but Superman would get stomped by Thor, Savage Hulk, Doc Samson ,Thing, Sasquatch, Namor and Wonder Man, these people combined would probably beat Mongul as well but Champion hardly did anything and sent them flying.
1. Death of Superman
2. Apokolips Henshaw
Your making assumptions. A computer did a similar thing to Captain America as well and it still lost. Henshaw obvoulsy has a limit to how much information he can absorb. Considering the fcat that Champion has been alive for billions of years he probably knows billiosn of techniques.
Hell if you look at the first example of Henshaw was getting beaten by Eradicator and Superman, if hes so tough he would have beaten them. One of those guys as far as I know have more skill and are as powerful as Champion.
Thats because Champion was badly written. Have alook at his prevoious appearances he was more intelligent. Hell The Champion didnt even want to fight The Hulk because he was a brute but then the writers decided to make him behave like a brute.
Tell me what happened to Champions other cosmic powers? Champion could have made Thors hammer teleport so it wouldnt return....thats no small feat. All the writers did is disrespect Champions previous history and turn him into a jobber.
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Eradicator got smacked by Henshaw. Supes himself had a hard time beating him. And nowadays, Supes has never gotten a win over Henshaw.
Champion cannot win this. The Cyborg brings more to the table and he's a far superior and smarter fighter. Not to mention the array of powers he has and the fact that H2H is next to useless against him.
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He's also lost to She-Hulk, Thanos, and Surfer..neither who are 1st or even 2nd rate martial artists.
No more PIS than captain america beating a machine who memorized all his styles.
It's a better example than any other we have here. Henshaw pwned a universal fighting champion...while Champ has lost to guys who aren't even trained fighters.
Superman has feats of strength that are better than Champions.
Both of who had abilites beyond Champion already...
Assumption. Where is Henshaws limit stated and why would it be limited with something as simple as the styles of a humanoid organism?
When did Superman and Eradicator beat Henshaw straight up?
Never. Matter of fact, Henshaw has easily beaten Eradicator, Earth Angel Supergirl, Superboy, and Steel simultaneously while cracking jokes.
He lost.
Geneti-lock. Nuff said.
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Do you know what PIS is? Champion deals with Mantis in one move but cant beat people many times less kiled than her? Champion defeats 7 of the strongest fighters, but cant beat Surfer who had a tussle with Abomination. Do you know what PIS is?
It wasnt PIS because Cap was stronger and faster. So therefore eventhough the computer had training his moves were not fast enough and did not do as much damage as Cap who was stronger. It doesnt matter how many technwiques you now if you are much slower than your opponent you will still lose.
Cap had more experience and therfore could apply his fighting skills better. Cap also has extremely high intelligence and is a genuis at combat strategy so his brain could be compared to a computer. The Supreme Intelligence wanted to absorb Caps mind....that shows you how smart Caps is.
Its not a good example.
Punisher is a martial arts expert therefore hes as good as Cap?
Black Tarantular shoots energy out of his eyes and his blast is as powerful as Cyclops because he shoots energy out of his eyes as well?
Namor can fly so that means he can fly as fast Northstar?
Mongul is a universal champion so therefore hes as good as the Champion?
All the above statements are illogical unless you can prove it.
Do you know what PIS is? So Champion beats one of the best fighters in the Universe in ONE MOVE but still loses to people much less skilled than her in H2H and thats not PIS?
No he does not if Thor can punch Superman to the ground and Champion can throw off Thor, Savage Hulk, Wonder Man, Namor, Thing, Sasquacth and Doc Samson by hardly doing anything then he is many many many times more powerful than Superman.
Maybe number 2 but not 1. 1 got his jaw broken from one punch by a Superman whoes powers were not fully restored and I already proved Champion makes Superman look like an ant.
Because he had to resort to trickery when fighting Superman and Eradicator and Superman was not even at full potential. Champion is not twice as pwerful as or even three times more powerful than Superman looking at his feats he is many many many times stronger then Superman, those fighters that Champion shrugged off would probably pummel Superman to death.
You have a better case for Apokolips Henshaw but it looked like the Silver Surfer was giving him trouble. Furthermore he could not adapt himself to beat Parallax, to escape the prison but not beat him in, combat so there is a limit depending on how powerful the opponent is.
Actually I was wrong they nearly beat him. What did Henshaw do...he pulled out a pipe and tried to expose them to Kryponitie. Is that a sign of somebody who is winning or resorting to tactis because he was being beaten?
Theres five people there, Champion shrugged of 7 of the some of the strongest fighters by hradly doing anything. Champions feats is more impressive.
Again do you know what PIS? Why doi you think we have a PIS rule?
How do you know its going to work, he dindt use it on Silver Surfer or Parallax. So therefore there is a limit.
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Actually when you think about its not even a big deal. Thor got Koed because he was suprised not because Superman was stronger. Thor clearly had the strength to punch him to the ground and resist his heat vision. Thor is using one hand to push the hammer down and Superman is using one hand to push it back.......Thors suprised... he has his guard down and Superman Kos him.
Yeah Superman is stronger but its not like Thor didnt have to maker an effort I was given the impression that Superman idly grabbed it. Superman is beathing heavily.
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marvel vs marvel, dc vs dc. dc characters are all on steroids
all their characters are godlike now, even batman to some extent.
people that dislike world war hulk are really just stunned to see marvel take a page out of dc's un-thought out pages by making the hulk a juggernaut, without taking into account the aftermath of the storyline; hulk is now above all the avengers, he is smarter and stronger than ever, his healing factor is better than ever, he beat strange and blackbolt, etc see what I;m saying? it just causes other characters to be elevated to that level to even the playing field(cause you know they wont be weakened). so yeah, marvel shouldn't be mixed with dc got that, cause superman is beyond god now and growing. and I dare any one to tell me differently
Well were not refering to current Superman. Weere talking about Henshaw;.the death of superman henshaw and the apokolipis henshaw and were trying to use the superman of that powerset to try and gauge how henshaw would do against Champion.
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Oct 16th, 2007 07:08 PM
Eradicator got smacked by Henshaw. Supes himself had a hard time beating him. And nowadays, Supes has never gotten a win over Henshaw. 
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I havent even said anything stupid. Wow your serioulsy full of **** Soljer.
