im no expert but i think hi mass increses as he goes faster or something.
guess its sort of like a piece of straw geting loged in something much stronger during a tornado.
Well the Flash is protected by the speedforce which allows him to go light speed and faster without destroying his surroundings and allowing temporary transferal of the force. I don't think there has ever been more than one IMP done because it requires too much energy(neutron star BS). I do believe that the Runner would be a good fight for Supes if you took away the whole T-vo and protection from the Source thing-so you could kill him when he was younger and less super. Theoretically beings that travel FTL could for all intents and purposes go back through time and should pretty much defeat any opponent. Heroes and Villains in Marvel don't really have speed stressed as much as DC does. Dr. Strange being able to conjure something in time to cast on the Surfer - is one example off the top of my head. Marvel cares more about the story than the feats in reference to percise combat not to say DC does not care about the story just these companies stress different things.
I have no problems with remotely plausible feats, ie I can grudgingly accept Spiderman knocking Firelord out (PIS and all), but running to the end of time? How far is that? It is absolutely absurd to use someone running to the end of time as a feat. If it is a time-manipulation feat, which is much more logical, then the Runner can replicate the feat, as speed = time travel in comics. I'm not imposing reality on comicdom, just filtering the improbable (smvsfl) from the illogical (running to the end of time).
PIS is the exception that proves the norm. Flash has been tagged by multiples upon multiples of beings slower than PC SBP. Using a couple of high end feats is using the exception to prove the norm.
Okay, lets get this straight. When he ran to the end of time in the
timeframe of a moment, there was no time travel involved. He
was outrunning death itself. So in order to outrun death, he ran to
the end of time where even death did not exist. So in otherwords,
he more or less went so far so fast that nothing existed except for
him. The Runner could not do that. He speed is different than the Flashes. The Flash is just on a whole other level. Also, again. What
is to stop the Flash from stealing the Runner's speed?
Also, if speed=timetravel in comics, then why doesn't every herald timetravel every time they cross interstellar distances? You can't
make broad statements like that. Timetravel does happen in comics,
but every character that can go lightspeed does not time travel.
Also, to say that it is not pis for a being fast enough to run to
the end of time in a moment, evacuate a city in a second, search
a city effortlessly in a picosecond, and transverse dimensions with his speed to get tagged by Deathstroke is ridiculous. If you don't think
so, then there's something wrong...
Time isn't measured by distance, unless you can debate that. That leaves manipulation. It isn't a distance feat, but a time manipulation feat from my point of view. I understand the "so fast" portion, but since when does going "so far" help you to get to the end of time? In the end, we come back to speed enabling time manipulation.
I freely admit that the Runner would not be able to do that. I would be worried if an illogical feat were used in debates involving him. I have already said that the flash is a PIS-ridden character, and his high feats definitely beat what we have seen from the Runner, even though certain arguments can be made about the latter's usage or lack thereof with regards to the Time Gem during the IG saga. His low feats are far below the runner's. As for speedforce, I have no idea how that would work, to be honest. It is irrelevant to Runner vs Superman in any case.
What I meant was that sufficient speed = time travel for speedsters. if not, flash would not be going through time. Arguments can be made for SS as well, as I highly doubt the PC endows time-warping abilites, but rather the speed to enable such a warp. Scans showing otherwise would be great. Obviously, I cannot answer why a herald does not time travel every time they go at full speeds. My guess would be that it is either a matter of choice from the herald or that they are simply written that way to fit situations. Unless there are convincing scans that speedsters have other time-control abilities, I will subscribe to that view.
As for flash's low and high feats, the logic behind his outracing the black flash is questionable at best. His nuclear bomb feat already has more people poking holes at it than Britney Spears has sold tabloids. Do I think it is PIS for him to get tripped? Yes, I do, but those occurences are far more common than flash outracing death. You cannot take the good and claim PIS on the bad.
God damn if you had flash moving at his top speed of every issue it would be pretty damn boring and he would be almost unbeatable. Try and understand Flash is the fastest character ever, his high end feats top any one or any thing but for obvious reasons he is not going to operate at those levels in every comic, other wise it would make for some boring reading. Try and under stand comics before making stupid claims.
Are you talking to me? If so, I was just stating the obvious. It's
true that it would make boring reading if the Flash used his powers like he should, but do you see my point?
Based on his feats is Runner superior to Superman? Would a character one rarely hears of have feats to overshadow the many feats of Surfer or Supes in their comic entirety. Matches with Runner fighting Superman and matches with Supes fighting Surfer will only have logical unbiased people arguing for the 6/10 win one way or the other(Again if you take out BS like T -vo , channeling the energies of the crunch and uber velocities). If the Runner has the Space gem like in the IG saga this is lopsided from jump. Unless the PIS of aging an immortal being comes into play again lol... Hi to everyone by the way I am pretty new to collecting comics not as new as I am to KMC though. I've been reading and keeping track of debates for a good year and a half now. Anyway just wanted to say Hi
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