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Ut. ... what are you talking about?
The only damage Fury was receiving was from Jaspers in that entire battle.
Those are just locations that the Fury itself teleported Jaspers onto.
Why would the Fury bfr itself into the Sun, if the Sun could hurt it?
Yes he did actually.
Jaspers' warp (either one) has no preferences. (everything it tries to warp)
The Fury was withIN 238 when the entire continuum was rearrange by Jaspers.
Fury was unfazed, this is confirmed in Fury's bio.
If Fury had been vulnerable, Fury would not have killed him.
And again, 238 Jaspers warp did try to overcome Fury (like everything else in 238)
but Fury was unfazed.
Again, if Fury would have been vulnerable (in any way) to the warping,
he wouldn't have killed him.
Again, Marvel has already established it as fact,
that Fury was immune to Jaspers' 616 warping after Fury absorbed the cpu.
Fury was also immune to 238 Jaspers' warp withOUT the need of the cpu.
That's on panel and confirmed in the bio,
arguing against that specific point is futile.
In the battle, Fury simply decided to fight in that form,
it had nothing to do with vulnerability.
Fury was able to teleport across UniverseS good friend,
while battling a "god" to the death.
Vulnerable? Nah.
Now the physical attacks did damage Fury, but not the warp.
They both were, Jaspers' changes were just more exotic.
Was immune according to Marvel.
Certain things can be left as opinions, others are simply fact.
With time? ... pretty much.
Don't forget,
Fury can buid/create from it's own cybiote/organic self,
weapons and purposeful equipment of practically any design or kind.
Even if it's back up neuro processor was to malfuntion due to damage,
Fury can either rebuild that one, or build another completely new one within itself.
Or shut down it's unit totaly therefore relying only on instinct.
(he did this when Fascination/Scatterbrain expanded the Fury's "brain" across the Omniverse in an instant ...
Fury resisted it, and owned her)
And that's another incredible durability feat btw.
Ut. if Fury was unaffected by Jaspers' warp,
what is some energy blast gonna do?
Jaspers' warp is the most powerful force Jaspers can bring concerning energy.
If a weapon that can re-arrange Reality completely doesn't work,
it's more than likely that blasts (of any kind) wouldn't make any difference.
This is why Moore put them in a physical duel.
I doubt that.
Matter manipulation and Reality warping are seperate entites.
Reality warping >>> Matter manipulation.
Uhh, ... that he was a "god" while merged to the Matrix?
Actually just to merge to the Matrix,
Merlyn had to perform an incredible durability feat.
When he dove into the unstable Matrix,
and while being physically hurtled through the Omniverse,
Merlyn was able to not only survive, but take control of the Matrix.
Indeed, even become one with the Matrix.
This was addressed up top in this post.
You interpreted that bit incorrectly good friend.
Again, addressed up top in this post.
Fury was never damaged by any environment,
for it was Fury itself taking Jaspers into those environments.
Fury is far from stupid, it wouldn't do that if it could be damaged by said environments.
What do you think "Switch" means everytime the scene changes?
That's a "sound effect" to note Fury teleporting.
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You have any examples concerning the original arcs?
*edit* I reviewed the saga to complete my debate with Ut.
I didn't find any inconsistencies, letalone a "very inconsistent" depiction,
but I'm interested in finding out to what you're referring too, good friend.
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That's a bit misleading no?
I disagree.
Fury had just battled 616 Jaspers across Universes to the death,
when it was over, Fury was extremely depleted,
Captain Britain attacked first and was almost killed,
then the enraged Captain UK (who lost her husband to the Fury)
went berserk on the severely weakened Fury.
Like I said, I reviewed the arc again, didn't see any inconsistency,
and if this is what you were referring to,
I'm thinking you're pulling my chain.
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(off-topic)
Btw. brother G, did you see those last scans I posted in my thread,
a new cat has just entered the hierarchy, thing is I don't know how to place him,
there's factors involved.
Peep the scans and tell me your thoughts,
and his placement, you'l see what I mean by "factors."
The scans pretty much speak for themselves,
I posted the relevant ones that deliver sufficient info for one to get the picture.
I was under the impression that it was MJJ that preformed the switches because of it being Fury that constantly needed to adapt to the changes. And IMO that actually doesn't make anything look more pretty because now according to you Jaspers physical Attacks > Universal Nullification.
Okay but we never see MJJ trying to Warp Fury does we, I also thought that they could pick and choose what they choosed to warp just like when Captain Britain entered he wasn't warped by Jaspers.
So you are saying Fury being turned into a ball isn't a warping preformed by jaspers and that fury choosed to take on that form because it suited it ????
Okay so let forget the on panel incident
I know that after he was changed into a ball he wasn't vulnerable to warp any longer from 616 Jaspers if you would like it that way.
It is clearly stated that the warp would have killed it thus it was damaged, hurt ore what ever yu will like to call it.
So time is the all important factor here are you saying that if I throw fury against the infinites for instance he would win if he was given enough time, what about death and the other abstracts like eternity, Oblivion and Infinity???
I don't know and neither do you really since we never saw the effect against fury and IMO would still tire it down which it is all about when fighting fury so slow it down and tire it.
But it would still damage it wore it down a bit tire it and so forth which again is all that counts.
Okay.
Yes I asked the question once in the respect thread.
Secret wars Doom with the power of galactus warped reality around him quiet easily.
Impressive though I have no idea how it makes it a good dubility feat sorry.
If you say so
I was under the impression that the Switch was MJJ until Fury found a way to teleport Jaspers into the former 238 universe. Hence the color difference of the Switches.
"Fury proved capable of holding its own against Jaspers,
resisting his reality changes by shapeshifting rapidly adapting as itteleported them from one environment to the next across myriad Dimensions,
finally transporting themto the void where its own reality had been once"
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That settles that, agreed?
I'll submit, evidently those physical attacks were considered part of Jaspers' warp.
I'll submit, evidently those physical attacks were considered part of Jaspers' warp.
Everything withIN the warp is affected by it.
Only the Fury was "immune" On Panel and in the bio.
"The insanity ... it ripples outwards ... a tidal wave of writhing lunacy.
It engulfs everything and all that engulfs"
But ...
If you mean on 616, there's a reason he didn't succumb immediately like on 238,
the fact, that that was the whole point of Merlyn allowing him to suffer like that on 238,
it was training, preparation for the ultimate threat .... 616 Jaspers:
Nah. I clearly said Fury wasn't vulnerable to the warping.
Jaspers did warp Fury, and Fury shapeshifted out of the warp and attacked back.
Proving it wasn't vulnerable to the warping.
Addressed.
Jaspers was able to warp Fury into a ball,
and Fury was able to immediately shapeshift out it.
That's all, its simple,
Fury didn't change its form completely
because Jaspers was still attacking every bit of the way.
As we gathered up top in this post,
even Jaspers' physical attacks are connected to his warp.
So Jaspers never strikes you physically in the technical sense, (separated from his warp)
cause everything he does is part of his warp.
I agree.
But not enough to make it vulnerable, you feel me?
It took a battle that spanned UniverseS for Fury to weaken,
and again, it's been established now,
that Jaspers' physical attacks are connected to his warp.
Therefore anything Jaspers does, derives from the power of his warp.
But "Vulnerable" ... would've been incapacitation, k.o, or death, from the get.
The Fury's ace up the sleeve is it's ability to develop a counter for any attack.
With it's astronomical durability, it can find a way, with time.
But I'm not sayin Fury would defeat anyone else right now, so don't quote me.
Actually I do know.
There is no energy blast that Jaspers' could've pulled out greater than his warp.
Jaspers' warp, is his ultimate power, come on Ut. you know this.
When Jaspers' warps reality he's manipulating energy btw.
Nah, it wouldn't do anymore damage.
Why would you try and knock a metal wall down with a pistol,
if you already know a canon isn't working as expected?
You mean the full power of Galactus' Ship ... but who's counting.
In order for Merlyn to achieve "godhood" he had to go through hell first:
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Dec 30th, 2007 03:43 AM
sorry.
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