100% of his brain would have little bearing on him being able to keep up with Flash movement speed, his augmented senses would not be enough for him to keep up with a serious Flash. Even in the scan you posted he commented on how slow Wally was moving.
Spiderman has beaten people faster, stronger and overall better than Deathstroke as well.
Errr..clearly you don't know about DS, as it's stated his reflexes CAN keep up with Flash as stated in the actual comics several times. So shall we ignore that as well? Also how do you know how fast Flash was moving in that scan? Hell look at the DS respect thread there is literally over a dozen other times of DS tagging Kid Flash and Flash if you don't like that one.
The scan you posted DS said he didn't even need to use his enhanced senses to keep up with Flash. So I assume he wasn't moving that fast...
And I only remember him tagging the Flash were he was actually moving fast was when DS surrounded himself with bombs, probably because he knew he could not keep up with Flash going at that speed.
A serious Flash would run circles around DS, I don't know why you're trying to argue this.
And what peak human beat Spiderman, because CA didn't if that's what you're trying to say.
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He was as he had several speed feats even during the same issue, so he was not going slow. It was mostly Slade trying to get into their heads, like how he called Donna Troy weak after he got the better of her. Or like when he tossed Wonder Woman aside
That was in Identity Crisis, he has tagged Flash and Kid Flash other times then that. Check the respect thread
No you claim he runs lightspeed all the time, can DS match Flash at his top? No. But he reach Flash at speeds in far excess of Spider-Man. Yes. Not sure why you're trying to argue this
Captain America, Brass Bishop, the Iron Fist foe Silver something. Hell Punisher, Moon Knight [non-upgrade] have given Parker a hard time
I checked the respect thread, no where was Flash going even sound speed or in excess of that when Slade hit him, also no where in any of my posts did I even imply Flash runs at lightspeed all the time...so maybe you should re-read my posts.
I wasn't even comparing Spiderman and Flash speed anymore, I was just wondering why you were trying to say DS could keep up with Flash and using Flash as an example of what kind of speed he can handle, w/o mentioning Flash/Kid Flash were only using a fraction of their actual speed capabilities.
And we both no that none of those peak-humans would have any chance of beating a serious Spiderman, even a Spiderman holding back could beat them. Using only low showings does not help prove your point, especially when they have not even beaten Spiderman.
Ummm..what? What proof do you have he wasn't? No, but you said DS can't keep up with Flash, but he has throughout his career and that's a fact. No you said he couldn't keep up with Flash, but if you look at his character he needs momenteum to get fast. Such as he couldn't even get off an island to run on water as he couldn't build up enough speed, or when he built up enough momentum to hit Grodd.
DS has superhuman reflexes allowing him to keep up that's his power. He has been able to get away from Superman, go one on one with Wonder Woman and Aquaman. As well as keep up with Wonder Girl, Superboy who are all faster then Spider-Man. Yeah a fraction of their speed, which is still significantly faster then what Spider-Man can do? Soooo point?
What like you ignoring DS high showings? I see you missed my point even brining them up, so basically with your logic is we dismiss DS high showings, and ignore Spider-Man's low showings which happen more often then not against normal humans.
What proof do you have he was? I don't have to prove the negative, but you do have to prove the positive, so prove he was actually going at the speeds that would make that feat impressive.
I said he couldn't keep up with a serious Flash, meaning one actually utilizing his high speed, not a small fraction of it. You're the one making a blanket statement of him being able to keep up with the Flash, when in actuality he has kept up with a Flash who was only using a small portion of his actual speed.
How am I ignoring DS high showings, because I say Flash was not going anywhere near his top speeds in those scans? When did I ever even try to dismiss any of his showings, o that's right, I haven't. So you aren't using my logic, you're trying to make it out that I'm saying things that I've never even said, like in your last post when you tried to say I said Flash only runs at lightspeed when I never even said that or anything similar. And what proof do you have that them using a small fraction of their actual speed is out of Spiderman's speed range?
You are only trying to use DS high showings and at the same time bring in just Spiderman's low showings. And the next to you say I claimed something, actually come up with something I said.
What proof? Errr..just his entire career says he goes far in access of mach 1 in battles. Especially since a lot of the times when DS tags him Wally is pissed off to boot. Hell look at Teen Titans year 1 and tell me he isn’t going at speeds faster far greater then Spider-Man. I take it you don’t read Teen Titans much, do you?
Errrr? Once again you’re missing the point. DS has kept up with a pissed off Kid Flash who can go FAR FAR FAR faster then Spider-Man can. He has kept up with Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Donna Troy, Wondergirl, etc. and all are much faster then Spider-Man. I even said he couldn’t match a full out Flash, but he did match multiple times a pissed off Kid Flash, which as I have said many times goes far faster then Spider-Man.
Errrr? So did you actually read the issue or just read the scans? Because if you just read the scans how are you saying he didn’t go all out as in several issues a pissed off Kid Flash charged at DS and he put him down saying his anger made it easier to predict his moves. In the same issues he was doing every high level speed feats to boot. In the end basically your trying to dismiss DS tagging Kid Flash, since you claim he wasn't going that fast but in the same issues he shows speeds in far excess of what Spider-Man can do.
HAHA, I guessed right you don’t read Teen Titans much. If you want some recent showings of Kid Flash [Wally] speed feats pick up the Teen Titans East Special, or Teen Titans: Year One. DS has a history of fighting people faster then Spider-Man and that’s not including Flash or Kid Flash
And you missed the point again. DS has continuous showings not just once in a full moon doing these high-end feats such as going against Green Lantern, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Teen Titans, JLA, etc. and prevailing. Slade’s low showings are far and few, while Spider-Man has shown throughout his career he struggles with skilled martial artists and that’s a fact.
This was clearly made before the DCnU ever existed, and as before -KM- has a knack of over exaggerating things in order to make his opinion larger than it should be. The X-Men that Pete embarrassed were clearly powerful enough to dunk Slade if Aquaman alone was able to. Imagine what Firelord would do to Slade if Aquaman had him on the run. Spiderman clearly wins this.
Even pre-DCnU Slade would make for a good fight. DCnU Slade has nth metal armor and has been shown taking damage from some heavy hitters, including Lobo. I don't see spiderman winning here.
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