No no no no no no no. Since when is a herald level characters stalemating a skyfather for months not PIS? Why dont you throw scans of silver surfer stalmating Galactus up? Isnt Zeus comparable in power with Odin? Didnt Odin take an onslaught frm Thanos and SS and pawned SS in 1 second. Thor gets beaten by SS and you expect me to believe that Thor can stalemate Zeus for...MONTHS.
Furthermore Zeus says the thunderbolts are not meant to slay him. What does that tell you hes holding back! The problem is the statement is contradictory, first of all Zeus implies that he cant kill him and then says the bolts are not meant to kill you, it doesnt matter how you spin it that means he was not using full force. Zeus also states that him an Odin have a pact. You really think that if Zeus has a pact with Odin hes going to go full force on his son?
Bro I suspect the writer coulndt remember or didnt know the fight between Korvac and WM, but at any rate Hollywood is to WM what Maestro is to the Hulk, by default Hollywood should have done even better against Korvac. Yes dormy could have killed Hollywood but his attitude was probably the same as Korvacs he didnt care wether his last blow killed or Koed him he just wanted him out of the way and WM ended up dead Hollywood did not.
Since WM cant beat the **** out of Firelord let alone beat the **** out of a guy that beat the **** out of Firelord and since I dont think he can take the full force brunt of an explosion that can destory a solar system im gonna assume WM is much more powerful.
Again throw some scans up of SS stalemating Galactus and lets not bat an eyelid.
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i guess since i showed them to you! you asked for proof thor was pressing him. did i show you?
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and the issue has never been 'stalemating a skyfather for months!' it's been 'stalemating a skyfather BRIEFLY!!' don't lose track of the feat you yourself are touting. you want examples of top tiers doing AT LEAST as much as hollywood did against dormammu? how about STARFOX stalemating thanos h2h. or morg taking it to thanos. how about gladiator ripping ego apart (non canon, admittedly) how about quasar stalemating galactus. or quasar battling and essentially defeating a watcher!! how about the avengers lasting for a prolonged time in battle with zeus or cap marvel ON HER OWN harming him. james hudson taking it to galactus. dr strange stalemating the inbetweener without prep. those are just off the top of my head. yeah, yeah, all pis i'm sure . . .
you seem to want to say hollywood trading exactly 3 punches (one from BEHIND!) with dormammu was impressive somehow. it's a cute little thing i guess, but NOTHING that many others haven't done and done much better. again, classic wm v korvac was much much more impressive. hell, for a brief moment korvac appeared to actually be AFRAID of wm, who finally cut lose with all his power and stopped being afraid of dying. it was a GREAT feat. and korvac>dormammu.
if the scan existed i'd show it. he did do a good number on galactus when he possessed the q-bands though. tough for ss to do well against galactus when all g needs to do is take back his power though. that does remind me though -- how about a half-power ss against murungo-mu for another example of top-tier stalemating and BEATING a skyfather level being!
presumably, but odin's feats>>>>>>>>zeus's.
well, by this time it's obvious i guess i COULD say that was pis showing for ss, or are you the only one around here who gets to call pis . . .?
in my case though, i actually have proof it was pis. dozens of other feats of ss prove it. some i mentioned above. stalemating and OVERPOWERING mephisto is another one i should have mentioned. it was also shown that odin actually NEEDED the ss to help him heal beta ray bill. during that time odin was shocked at ss's power AND ss was even able to SYNTHESIZE the odin-power! skyfather shocked at a herald leveller??!
i know, i know, all pis . . . (incidentally, firelord HAS defeated ss in the past as well . . .)
yet hollywood, who has about a dozen appearances total, surviving an explosion that would devastate several solar systems is somehow supposed to be accepted at face-value. right . . . .
oh yeah, forgot to bring this up last time -- you keep wanting to place overkill on the top tier cuz he beat firelord. you conveniently continue to leave out one little aspect about his defeat of firelord -- HE ONLY WON BECAUSE HE WAS SUCKING THE ENERGY OUT OF FIRELORD! nothing to do with his overall level of power. he drained firelord THEN beat him.
really? where? show me scans of ss actually beating thor down. cuz i could show scans of thor stalemating an AMPED ss and effortlessly absorbing the power cosmic . . . i could show a scan of ss being shocked at thor's level of power . . .
you misunderstand -- i couldn't care LESS what you choose to believe. i do find it funny that you want to call pis so often and yet you will defend a character who has so few appearances as to make gauging his power almost impossible. your SINGLE feat is hollywood's surviving that huge explosion. punching dormammu is quite literally nothing that MANY MANY top guys haven't done and done better. hell, hulk vs zom-possessed starnge was better! far as i'm concerned, simon's withstanding that explosion is ridiculous and until it is substantiated with other, comparable feats, it really is the only piece of pis in anything we're talking about.
you're changing the premise of your request. you asked me to show you proof thor was pressing him. i did so. the fact that you're not satisfied with it is meaningless to me. was zeus going 'all out'? maybe not 100%. but he WAS being pressed by thor. taht's what you asked to see. thor's has been punked by odin in the past, but only because odin can command the hammer. who knows how thor would fare vs odin if he could use his hammer to the max against him.
hollywood is to wm as maestro is too hulk? proof please. and i hope you have more than his surviving that explosion or his defeating someone who beat firelord by draining his power . . .
yeah, bro, keep clinging to that explosion feat while declaring everything BUT that feat pis . . .
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Last edited by leonidas on Mar 23rd, 2008 at 04:08 PM
1. I read the scans again it wasnt months after all, my bad.
2. Didnt know that Overkill beat Firelord by draining his powers.
3. Fair enough about herald level characters taking on skyfathers brefily but there are explanations to some of them for example Dr Strange invoked Master Order and Lord Chaos to defeat In-betweener, they are his bosses so that makes sense.
4. I dont want to say that WM giving Korvac a good fight is PIS because Cap did as well and hes Koed classic molecule man, so yeah im gonna have to concede defeat. However I dont know about these other characters stalmateing watchers and Galactus and I dont have a problem with herald level characters giving Thanos a good fight, that is not inconciveable.
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1. actually months DID pass in the battle (months past on the plains below) -- it just seemed to thor and zeus that it was an instant.
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3. and that was how strange won, but he was holding his own at the start is all i was saying.
4. there are many who place thanos on or very near the skyfather level. that's why i used him in my examples.
anyway, didn't mean to sort of lose my cool in the discussion. my apologies if i offended. i loved the guardians AND the galactic guardians and i hope they make an appearance at another time. who knows, maybe hollywood IS as powerful as you want to believe. we just need more evidence to substantiate the claim.
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