I wasn't reffering to Superman, I was reffering to Ares, Darkseid, or Mongul, who have gotten their hands on Wonder Woman in the past, and gave her severe beatings.... while Hercules on the other hand was put into a coma by Goliath, and trounced by the Masters of Evil.... Thor was the one to take them down.... Wonder Woman would have done the same.
You seem to be unaware on how some events actually took place. Hercules had enough drugs on him to put elephants down, and wasent figthing just the wrecking crew. In fact, before Goliath showed up, drugged as he was, he was the one standing up, while the rest was on the floor.
Later on, Thor alone had troubles with Goliath as well.
And when you mention that WW would have done the same, if you mean the wrecking crew, i would agree. Too bad that Herc, after that story arc, have already laid the beating on them, twice on his own. And to Goliath/Atlas as well.
And did Wonder Woman really did "well" in some of those examples? When did she even fougth Darkseid? Smells fishy to me.
You should as well, take both character`s high showings for comparations. It usually works better than just pairing very high examples to somewhat lower ones.
Last edited by olympian on Jul 27th, 2008 at 10:52 PM
I would like to agree with you, and I would but Wonder Woman clearly beat his ass. I have to admit that I was surprised that she was able to beat him, but she did, and you my friend must deal with it, both companies agreed that she would beat him if it came down to it. Your opinion as is any fans is just that.... an opinion.
Actually, its what the writer wrote. Busiek himself said that there was no winner. And its true. if the figth wasent finished, when Aquaman got the artifact, then there is no "win".
If no victor is declared, there is no win. If the opponent is still figthing, there is no win. If Hercules isent asking for help to give anyone the idea he was done, there is no win. At most its called getting the "edge".
But if we count that as a win, then in the second round, Hercules also won (wich you wont count at all, because double standart demands it), after all we only see Wonder Woman pinned and never a scene of her bursting free. Not until Hercules lets Pym take a jab at another Woman, like he also loves to do.
That good ol` Hercules. Always thinking of someone else.
Being a Colossus fan, you shouldnt feel sorry at all
Because she`s got the bigger package, right?
I did always though she was too manly for her own good.
Last edited by olympian on Jul 28th, 2008 at 07:12 AM
You are almost the only one that believes that Hercules would win this. She was well on on her way to ripping his head off while holding him in the camel clutch.
How in the hell did he get in that position in the first place? Gee... do you think he got on his belly, and decided to let her take a ride? Or could it have been that she overpowered the bum, and nearly ripped his head off?
He sure looked like he was having fun to me, all red in the face, but maybe that was him blushing, and not the blood pressure that looked to nearly KO em.
If it was her in that same position no one would doubt that Hercules was the more powerful of the two, but the thing is, she has his strength, but she also can out leverage him due to this nifty little thing called flight. As well as the fact that her martial arts skills are better than his, and she is also far faster than he is.
I've seen Hercules tagged by Goliath who is much slower than Diana... how many times do you think she could tag him? Namor stalemated with him, although he looked like he was about to lose, but Diana is a true class 100.
Hercules getting hit more times than not would go down to someone as strong as he is, and Wonder Woman is in his strength class, she yawned as Wonderman struggled to budge her arm, and lost half a dozen times, to her while arm wrestling.
You dont know what a Camel Clutch is. But unlike you, she is suposse to know about Wrestling
Of course i belive. Im rigth on about it. This is one of the only two boards that throw in the whole "she can punch a guy 1000 times before they blink" card, even tho she never did that tripe in her whole publishing history.
Of course she overpowered him. Same way she was overpowered later on. Are you somehow insecure about it?
And you can tell by a drawing that someone is close to have its head ripped off or knocked out? With no close ups or narration boxes? Woza.
So, just like Wonder Woman in the Savage Land. She had in fact that kind of "im taking it up in the arse and loving it" Greg Land porn face. Actually, she always does that when facing DCU Heracles too.
Dont kid yourself. They always wanted each other. They are Greek after all.
Wait. Wait.
"If she was in the same position"? But she did got pinned as he did. Did you zone off by then? And what great skill advantage did she used there? One hold versus another? You must be using stuff outside the crossover.
Wich case in point, i can do the same and call out the fact that Wonder Woman consistantly needs the assist of other people in her class to perform a major feat of strenght. Besides, not that fligth alone was ever a major problem for Herc, but this is a *confined arena* as stated by the OP. She wont have room to fly around.
P.S: "alot faster"? I only saw her getting on more hit, before the hold, than Hercules did.
Hercules was standing still, he wasent running around. Its called being blindsided.
I also read Wonder Woman having troubles with Deathstroke, the Sinestro clone (for a whole issue, in wich DCU Heracles just owned that bum in one panel), Cheetah..
You want to know how often she will get hit? The same percentage she gets hit against Superman, Deathstroke, Konvict, Cheetah, Marvel, Silver Swan, DCU Herc, etc. Wheter they are flying at or simply using combat speed. It is how she is written, this isent "Dragonball".
Marvel Hercules can after all, also perform speedburst moves at close range, since you are only counting some of her finest examples..
And Hercules one shot Wonder Man and Ares in the same figth. So?
Last edited by olympian on Jul 28th, 2008 at 10:02 AM
please break out these scans of Hercules beating Wonder Woman, because from what I saw, he hit her, and she decked him. Please provide all of the scans in which they fought ok.
The only time I saw Hercules winning was when he had her in a full nelson, and Yellow Jacket was assisting him... I don't think she needed anyone to come to her aid when she dealt with him.... enough talk, let's see some scans, because perhaps you have a pic or a rare JLA/Avengers that I have yet to see.
First round was: cheap shot from WW, Hercules hits her, she hits him and goes for the hold. Second roun went: We already see her in the hold.
As for you`re question, you are about to answer this rigth away in one...two...
..three.
Why did you asked me for scans then, if you saw it?
And, no. YJ was of the same size of an ant, firing (you guessed it) ant-sized blasts from a *distance*. The only one doing the muscle and skill work to her, was Hercules. Unless of course you want to admit that those ants, are a match to her..Pym certainly seemed to think so.
I mean, all it sounds its a nice excuse to invalidade the action of her being pinned this time.
Actually, i have something more powerful. The edition that everyone got and read. Including you, from what you just said. Also, we have no scene of Hercules ever asking for help. I dont see why it is so easy for some fans to assume something we dont see, when on Savage Land (aka, the last stand for all of them) everyone was taking on everyone. Now, i certainly dont base opinions on mere assumptions, so..
Last edited by olympian on Jul 28th, 2008 at 05:42 PM
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