i have lost the energy for this,but i'll post once more.
gambit isn't peak human because i want him to be.he's peak human because that's just what his stats say.those number ratings you said are fan voted,meaning they're irrelevant.so yeah forget about it.every bio-site i've seen has put gambit at peak human when charged.you guys coming at me for it doesn't change anything.and some comic showings that seem to say the opposite don't change anything either
what do you mean everything you guys have brought up? the only thing i'm arguing against is the fact that you guys say he has superhuman speed,which is false.nothing else
and as for the comic crack.i've been to the respect thread.i've been to pretty much every respect thread,way before i posted here. no feat of speed or agility shown there is out of shiva's league,period.some(like the scene with blade), are a little shaky to me.seeing as blade has superhuman speed and gambit doesn't,but everyone has those showings.
i never claimed to be being persecuted. honestly,i don't care either way.
It doesn't say anything about having to charge to boost his speed anywhere in that paragraph. On the contrary, it mentions his speed is innate, as in, you know.... born with it. Mutation just boosted it to what it is now.
.you guys use the stats when it's convient to you.
i could post like 5 more sites who say he has to charge for peak human status,but seeing as posting those ones didn't do much for my argument,i think i'll just pass.
shiva wins because she's just as fast,far more skilled,and ruthless.close-quarters,she'd kill him before he could do much of anything.not so close quarters,gambit has a chance,but she'll most likely just evade him,maybe get him worked up till he slips up,and then do what she does best,assasinate.she is said to be dc's best assasin you know.you don't just get that title for no reason.
It doesn't matter if she's DC's best assassin. Titles usually mean very little in VS. matches. She's outclassed in speed, range, and energy projection.
In Gambit's solo title Bullseye pwns Gambit in h2h with ease, and Remy resorts to bribing Deadpool to spare his life after Wade engages him to fulfill a contract.
Firstly, those were the "official" ratings. Secondly, you can't complain about fan voted stats anyway when you recommended we use wikipedia as a source. You claim otherwise, but it really seems like you're just switching stances depending on what is convenient for your argument. I really hoped my last post would help you see why bios should not be used as primary sources. You obviously recognize how ridiculous bios can be. You just objected to my use of the very same one you introduced...
You likened Gambit's superhuman feats to "Batgod". That is why I said everything we brought up is well within Gambit's abilities. "Batgod's" feats are so outlandish that he is virtually treated as a separate character from Batman.
I made the "comic crack" in response to your "wikipedia crack".
You did insinuate persecution there, or you wouldn't have added that little bit about going against the status quo. Either way, this is irrelevant now and I'll leave it be if you will.
We know she's outclassed in speed because of your bios. Like I said, he's as fast as Quicksilver according to your material.
No, we used them to show how ridiculous using bios is. I'll point out again that you obviously see the flaw when we do it....yet you still insist on using bios to support your argument while dismissing ours.
....so again you realize how futile it is to use bios exclusively as "they didn't do much for your argument."
Based on what? Bios? I already showed you that bios show Gambit would kill her without significant effort.
Comrade, our problem isn't the stance you take. It's how you arrived at that conclusion. Comics should be the primary source for debating comic characters.
For the 6,000,000,000,000,000th time. Gambit had just reacquired his powers in their full scope(new Sun). He didn't have complete control over his powers as shown when he almost disintegrated Rogue and Colossus during training. He fought Bullseye while trying to avoid killing innocent people with his powers.
Please people, read the comics before you post stuff like this. If you did read it, post any extenuating circumstances along with the event. If you don't, it becomes misleading like shiv's post.
Now if you honestly believe Bullseye can beat New Sun Gambit, we need to talk.
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If Anything Gambits powers were GROWING. this is different from Spiderman who when he has trouble with his powers it usually means his powers are fading.
With Gambit the oppositte was happenning.
His energy projection was steadily increasing and so were his physical stats. In fact for someone who you imply was not 100% The Assassins and Thieves Guilds were shadowing his every move and They decided That of all the Available people at the Time Remy was in the Best Condition to lead them through a Restructuring Period.
Even when Batroc attacks Gambit he and Zaran or whatever comment that They have never seen Remy fight like That.
But when 2 H2H experts engaged Remy in close quaters combat Deadpool and Bullseye -with weapons Remy was outclassed.
Bullseye is an expert marksman and he anticipated Remy's offense with precision and with the same precision worked Gambit into a pposition where he could not evade his knives.
The body reading makes it too much of an Advantage for Shiva.
I couldn't find it in the respect thread for deal and Bulleyes, if possible you can bring up a scan to see the actual event of the fight and action included
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Just throwing out some note here. I just picked up Hush recently, and I think it's impressive that Lady Shiva absolutely tooled the living hell out of Catwoman. Not as in Catwoman got in one blow and proceeded to get beaten down. Shiva own her, and- without visibly using any of her special killing techniques- beat Selina to the point that she was in danger of death.
Just adds more to the uber badassery of Lady Shiva.
jeez you'd think this was new son gambit or death gambit versus shiva the way you guys view this match(most of you anyway).gambit's really not all that impressive.he's the definition of low-level meta.scarely above your average street level peak human.and shiva's definitely not your average street level peak human.
oh,and i forgot about shiva's throwing weapons.that puts the odds even more in her favor.
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.you guys use the stats when it's convient to you.
