Was it really difficult for you to understand what I typed out? Would you like me to go slower for you so that you can understand? Should I just repost... yeah you know what that's what I'll do just for you... then you can analyze why an unremarkable human male top martial artist that engages in intensive regular excercise has no reason of being in a vs thread against a guy that can bench press his mansion.
Do you get it now?
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Last edited by Stoic on Dec 21st, 2008 at 06:31 PM
..............because that particular unremarkable human and others like him have consistently been shown throughout their careers to be able to take on, survive and at times even best much more physically superior foes. It's what they do because they are fictional heroes and because it is comics and not real life. Ergo real life physics,certainties etc go out of the widow and we base our opinions on the respective character's feats, not just what we personally feel should happen.
Yes and once again those would be CIS related comic events, it's sort of like Captain America knocking the Hulk out with a punch when Juggernaut couldn't.
Batman is a regular dude that runs around in tights, he is more suited for fighting thugs that rob banks, but the moment that he starts beating guys that can pick up trucks, and throw them up the street, or guys that are faster, and more agile it becomes CIS.
In forum battles that kind of thing just doesn't stick. Face it Batman's chances of beating a super strong character in a forum battle is the same chance that he would have against a Max Lord controlled Superman in a comic book.... no chance at all.
If the Lizard can hit Spiderman who is far faster than Batman, and also can sense danger chances are great that this guy can hit Batman... and all it would take is one hit to kill him.
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Last edited by Stoic on Dec 21st, 2008 at 06:59 PM
1.Lol. Guys such as Bats and Cap beating down chaps such as the Lizard is a world away from them beating down uber power houses such as the Hulk etc.
2. Again no. Batman when he does beat physically superior foes does it through guile, cunning,gadgets etc. I'm not on about him beating power houses. The Lizard is not Superman.
3.Again no it won't take one hit to kill him. He has regularly been shown to get belted by foes much stronger than he is and survive. Clearly DC (and Marvel) view such humans as being capable of sustaining a certain amount of damage inflicted upon them by such foes. It's comics.
You know what CIS means right? Character Induced Stupidity? This happens often in comics so that the hero doesn't get murdered... this is how great comics are sold, in a forum battle however we must look carefully at the stats, and try our best to ignore how we feel about these characters, which is what makes many people look like a fanboy/fangirl.
Let's put all of the chips on the table for a moment ok.
1 Batman has no powers, and is as fit as a top olympic competitor all around; meaning he can lift as much as the strongest power lifter, run as fast as the fastest runner, swim as well as the best swimmer, and is a world class martial artist but he is not superhuman in any sense of the word... etc..etc.
2 The Lizard, is faster than the fastest olympic male, stronger than 50 men combined, can hold his breath for nearly an hour, can crawl on walls, can resist high caliber gunfire, able to rip through steel with his claws, and can swim nearly as fast as a shark.
Who would you say would win this if we removed the names and just went on stats?
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Last edited by Stoic on Dec 21st, 2008 at 07:21 PM
1.So basically we should ignore what the primary sources (comics) regularly show us so that it fits what we and real life common sense would dictate? Superpowered characters don't always lose because of CIS. Frequently it's because the physical underdog has other ways of winning. In this case gadgets.
Well yeh the if the human male charged straight in, completely forgot about his wealth of equipment and engaged the beast in H2H he would die. Batman won't do this.People seem to think this is what he will do.
I say again these are comic book characters. DC clearly view that such people can regularly engage physically superior foes (within reason) and survive or triumph through use of brain and equipment over brawn.
ps Isn't CIS allowed anyway? Is says so in the rules.
Last edited by Warrior18 on Dec 21st, 2008 at 07:42 PM
what? it's not like croc hasn't given bruce major problems before right? in fact, the last time they met he had robin with him and he needed explosives to take croc down(btw, curt's healing factor id way better).
lizard is croc's superior in every way....speed/strength/healing factor/durability by far......and to boot he is more intelligent.if any croc can give a bat-team problems, then curt should definitely take bats all by his lonesome
With Batman its not nearly as complicated to put him in a box and call a chicken a chicken.... he has no powers only gadgets, he doesn't have superhuman reflexes, he's only a human that engages in intensive regular excercise... DC, and Marvel often make little guys do more than they can, and this is simply to make things more interesting; for example if Superman did not hold back and tried to kill a human being it wouldn't take much for him to suceed, after all this is a guy that has picked up objects the size of sports colleseums and thrown them into deep space, when he was mind controlled by Max Lord he should have torn Batmans arms off.
Yes I realize that the Lizard isn't Superman, but then again you don't need much more than the Lizard to physically destroy a man, no matter how strong that man may be.
With the Lizards superior speed, and superior reactions, and reflexes, who says that Batman even hits him with a bat gadget? Who says he has enough time to even scream? Time and time again has the Lizard hit Spiderman, and Batman is a slouch in comparison.
Although I agree with you, this logic doesnt work here. This is the type of logic I used to use when Wolverine would be pitted against class 80-100 characters. Theres no possible way he should win, but by God, thats how he's portrayed in the comics. Unfortunately, Batman is portrayed in a way that he doesnt lose to D-class characters like the Lizard. He wouldnt lose here either.
lizard's durability alone could protect him from that.....without even having to heal. he's endured an angry blast from johnny storm and very large explosions without even having to heal. and if he does have to heal......he can quickly recover from fatal wounds and even keep going completely undetered before they even heal.he has a healing factor......but he also pretty much doesn't know pain, which makes him even more deadly
You are so wrong, Wolverine is not Batman, Wolverine has a healing factor, and can take hits from class 100's because everything about Wolverine is superhuman right down to his bones... but Batman is a man, and his human physiology is too weak to sustain a beating from a guy that can tear buildings down with his bare hands.
As I pointed out before it is what it is, and Batman is just a cop in a suit with some very good moves. CIS can always be called when a non powered character beats a superhuman.
2.Yes in real life..........not in comics. According to DC their characters, even though not superpowered, can do these things regularly. Again I'm not on about high end feats against uber beings.
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