I understand where DS is coming from: the implication from Obi-Wan's dialogue in the Phantom Menace is that Yoda possessed the highest midichlorian count out of, at least, all Jedi alive prior to the discovery of Anakin. Count Dooku and Mace Windu all demonstrate prodigious skill and excellence at relatively young ages, earning distinctions amongst their fellow Jedi for their skill; Darth Maul, similarly, seems to be a prodigy, being "a high end master of multiple forms" despite an incredibly young age.
While none of these characters are prodigious "like Anakin," it would be foolish to contend that they aren't prodigies. But Subjekt also has a point: Yoda's many centuries as a Jedi undoubtably honed his already prodigious skill.
THank you. Once again, to say that Yoda is only good because he's 800 years old is like saying Gideon is a good debater because he spends 15 hours a day on these forums.
He's not good because he's 800, he's good because he's been constantly training for those 800 years.
If you've got a swordsman who practices 8 hours a day for 5 years, against a swordsman who does the same thing for 800, whose going to be the better fighter?
There's nothing suggesting he practices 8 hours a day for 5 years. In fact if you believe he's been in constant practice for those 800 years, it's your job to prove it.
Yoda is exceptionally skilled becuase he's had 800 years of experience. I think everyone will agree that living with 'warrior monk' Jedi for 800 years will grant a person a a certain degree of skill and insight into combat. Yoda is powerful becuase he has a high medi-count and has had 800 years of practice (which is essential to developing power). And as we all know, force power is a real benefit in lightsaber combat. We also know that being powerful or having potential doesn't always make one a prodigy, via Leia.
Beefy, you're wrong. There is absolutely nothing to suggest Yoda's a prodigy. He may be adept, or above average but nothing suggests he's intrinsically amazing. The benefits of having 800 years of practice are apparent though. Give Johun Othone 800 years and he'd be hanging with the big boys too. Therefore we can conclude that Yoda gets his power and skill through his experience, but we cannot conclude that its natural ability.
Nobody said it did, but it increases the learning curve.
How about the fact that Yoda is skilled because he's a prodigy, not because he's 800 years old. Nobody is saying that didn't help but there's nothing suggesting he studied lightsaber combat constantly for 800 years. That's like saying that if Yoda was 80, Dooku, Anakin, and Mace would beat him.
Actually I'm right. EVERYTHING suggests Yoda is a prodigy. There's absolutely nothing suggesting otherwise. Give Johun 800 years and maybe he'll be able to compete with Maul.
Implying that if anyone studies 800 years, they can be on Yoda's level is where your argument fails completely.
i think it would be easier to gauge ydoas power if we knew more of his exploits from his younger days. because we saw the extent of anakin's power when he was a novice, and then saw his power after four years of growth, we can accurately conclude his learning ability and skill. the same is not true for yoda however as we only know how strong he is int he last few decades of his life.
His force potential made him a prodigy. The other prodigies also have significant force potential, yet Yoda is the exception to the rule? And Odan Urr was over 1,000 years old, and he didn't show a damn thing. Guess that destroys Exodus' argument rofl.
how does that alone make you a prodigy? having a strong connection to the force doesnt help you understand the mechanics of a lightsaber or the strategies involved in fighting or any of those things... all the force can do is heighten your reflexes and general awareness...
Bane. Prodigy. Strong connection to the force. Sidious. Prodigy. Strong Connection to the force. Jacen Solo. Prodigy. Strong Connection to the force. Luke. Prodigy. Strong connection to the force. I rest my case.
Sep 5th, 2009 10:09 PM
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