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ares834
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Originally posted by LLLLLink
When has Ganondorf NOT had cosmic awareness?

Proof please.

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Btw, Ganondorf is a god. Says so in Twilight Princess.

No it doesn't... Zant calls him a god but that doesn't mean its true.

Jan 18th, 2010 11:23 PM

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LLLLLink
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Proof please.

OoT, Killing Phantom Ganon, Zelda's capture in the Temple of Time.
OoT is the first mention of Ganondorf, so that means he has always had it.

No it doesn't... Zant calls him a god but that doesn't mean its true.

Riiiiight. Possessing the essence and power of the gods/essess (creation, destruction, immortality, ect.) and being worshipped doesn't make one god-like.

What makes Kevin god-like then?

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Btw, Ganondorf is a god. Says so in Twilight Princess.

He only appeared to Zant as one, so that he can use him. Ganondorf has never shown anything on a god level and if he was, Link wouldn't stand a chance.

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Proof please.

OoT, Killing Phantom Ganon, Zelda's capture in the Temple of Time.
OoT is the first mention of Ganondorf, so that means he has always had it.

That's not cosmic awareness.

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Riiiiight. Possessing the essence and power of the gods/essess (creation, destruction, immortality, ect.) and being worshipped doesn't make one god-like.

Ganondorf is just a demi-Exdeath. Were he a god, Hyrule would've been shaped into his image. He's just a powerful sorceror enhanced with the Triforce of Power. If that makes him Omnipotent, than Zelda is Omniscient.

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What makes Kevin god-like then?

Kevin is no god but he ranks as a powerful cosmic entity. He is able to create space-time anomalies and is not limited to the laws of physics. He doesn't even exist on the same plane as the living (much like the Gnosis are in Xenosaga). That pretty much makes him always intangible unless put in a Hilbert Effect area.

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LLLLLink
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The Master Sword is the only reason Link can beat Ganondorf.

It is too cosmic awareness.

Uhh... Ganondorf + Trueforce (LTTP) = Omnigod
Exdeath was a sorcerer trapped in a tree of all things.
Wood > Exdeath

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ares834
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It is too cosmic awareness.

Not even close. Cosmic awarness is basicaly Omniscience.

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Uhh... Ganondorf + Trueforce (LTTP) = Omnigod

Trueforce... WTF! Now your making shit up. lol

Jan 19th, 2010 07:57 PM

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Trueforce = full triforce.

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Not even close. Cosmic awarness is basicaly Omniscience.

No it isn't

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LLLLLink
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Not even close. Cosmic awarness is basicaly Omniscience.

Hell no it isn't.
Jedi like Yoda had cosmic awareness, but they were not omniscient.

Although, with the True Force, Ganondorf is omnipotent and omniscient.

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Jan 20th, 2010 04:04 AM

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You can barely, if at all call even what Yoda has cosmic awareness. What Yoda has is more like Force awareness.

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Jan 20th, 2010 09:24 AM

Sin_Volvagia
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Originally posted by LLLLLink

It is too cosmic awareness.

When has Ganondorf detected people from another planet? Hell, he hasn't even shown this ability in LttP.

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Uhh... Ganondorf + Trueforce (LTTP) = Omnigod

He showed nothing of this level in LttP other than changing anyone who ventured in Dark World without a Moon Pearl. Were he an Omni God, he would easily beat Link before he reached the Palace of Darkness.

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Exdeath was a sorcerer trapped in a tree of all things.
Wood > Exdeath [/B]

Exdeath is an evil tree who took form as an Armored sorceror. He was sealed in another planet and not in a tree.

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LLLLLink
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When has Ganondorf detected people from another planet? Hell, he hasn't even shown this ability in LttP.

How about another dimension or realm? TP was a prime example.

Also @ Rapidash, cosmic awareness = awareness of the cosmos. Slapping the "force" tag on it doesn't change the function.

Were he an Omni God, he would easily beat Link before he reached the Palace of Darkness.

No, because the Master Sword is the equalizer.

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Sin_Volvagia
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Originally posted by LLLLLink
When has Ganondorf detected people from another planet? Hell, he hasn't even shown this ability in LttP.

How about another dimension or realm? TP was a prime example.

Looks more like Ganondorf bumped into the Twilight Realm or had previous knowledge of its existance.

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Were he an Omni God, he would easily beat Link before he reached the Palace of Darkness.

No, because the Master Sword is the equalizer.

According to LttP's backstory, Ganondorf had possessed the Triforce but was defeated by the Knights of Hyrule and sealed into the Dark World by the 7 wise men. Ganondorf, now Ganon, needed to possess Agahnim and kidnap 7 maiden to break the seal. So much for being an Omni God.

When Link possessed the Triforce, evil still existed by the time of the first and second Zelda games. Strange, wasn't the Triforce supposed to be an all-powerful item?

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LLLLLink
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No, that is not in the LTTP backstory at all.
That is just a hypothesis based on the split timeline. No theories here. Just fact please.

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Jan 20th, 2010 10:39 PM

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Why are we even arguing what ganon is to people. back on topic Kevin should win this due to his cosmic abilities alone.

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-sigh- Here we go again.

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Originally posted by LLLLLink
Also @ Rapidash, cosmic awareness = awareness of the cosmos. Slapping the "force" tag on it doesn't change the function.

It does when he is restricted to the Force.

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Jan 20th, 2010 11:17 PM

Sin_Volvagia
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Originally posted by LLLLLink
No, that is not in the LTTP backstory at all.
That is just a hypothesis based on the split timeline. No theories here. Just fact please.

You read all of this in LttP's intro and from the 7 maidens. It's even on both Zelda wikis.

The Triforce is way overrated.

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LLLLLink
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You read all of this in LttP's intro and from the 7 maidens. It's even on both Zelda wikis.

The Triforce is way overrated.

...duh?

So, what now? If it's in the game, it isn't canon? laughing