Har HAAAA! Couldn't use the chair thang even though Thanos has one! But you wouldn't know that cause you're a DC fanboy and don't read comic books. I WINNNNNNNN!
Konton: Oh, I agree with you, in concept; I think, though, that if Diana didn't have her powers, Shiva would have a decent chance at some wins, even if Diana took the majority. Cap is a bit more equal, if more based on physicality (with a depowered WW) than with finesse, specifically.
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And to PR, also: Actually, that is exactly what was happening -- Diana was using captured super-criminals as "dummies" to spar with (for keeping her own skills sharp), but just as importantly to try to teach them discipline and reflection, in hopes of rehabilitating them. Didn't really work, of course, but that's the sort of thing she'd do, so the scene actually made a lot of sense...
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That may be, but what the scene shows is that they were giving her advice on how to fight in exchange for time reduction and privilleges. I did not read that whole comic, but clearly in those panels, if anyone was schooling the other, it was shiva teaching ww how to use the lasso mid-battle to get her opponents to cough up moves.
The poster should have included the following pages, where it's quite clear who's doing the schooling (Diana showed well against them all, and was clearly the most skilled...). Now, of course, every character has *some* aspect of skill, or combat insight, that may not be had by another, and Diana was looking for such insight. But they were definitely the ones who got the better end of the deal in that story.
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I know it isn't truly fair, because you aren't going to see beings as this powerful fight down on those levels regularly, but that's how we judge a person's hand to hand abilities most of the time. How they fair against other high end skilled opponents. It's pretty clear shes at the top of the food chain in her tier in terms of hand to hand skills, but few are actually skilled in her tier. That is even specifically pointed out in her recent issue. Most of these super strong characters, rely on their brute strength alone so once she kicks it up a notch, it's pretty damn easy to outmaneuver a great deal of them.
Words. They are what give me the benefit of the doubt about her in the first place, but at the end of the day, they are simply words. Thor has plenty of times when his expertise as at the art of war, is praised. These claims and praises are what by default put her on such a high pedestal from the get go, but more is needed before I could imagine she'd be beating Captain America himself in this situation. Thor for example was fairing just as well if not better in a depowered form against the Zodiac soldiers as a result of his hand to hand skills. It's one of his best showings, but that showing alone doesn't mean I'd think Thor is beating Captain America even though that's as a direct a comparison as we are likely to get. It might suggest Thor's on Captain America's level but that's about it. And I love Thor.
I'm not.
Prove to me shes more skilled than Thor.
If you read the opening post it said she gets a physic between olympic level and peak human level. She doesn't keep her Amazon traits here.
He pretty much does.
I'm just going by the level the thread starter gave her.
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