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I personally can't remember any clear victories from Supes, either.

Yea.

It's kinda interesting how WW has wins and losses while CM vs Supes is almost all draws.

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DC Hercules isn't any more magic than Wonder Woman is. Superman can take shots from Wonder Woman just fine.

Well she *is* magic, she's animated clay.

I think this would be better expressed as "DC Hercules doesn't have any more special magic effects to his blows than Wonder Woman does."

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Yea.

It's kinda interesting how WW has wins and losses while CM vs Supes is almost all draws.

Well she *is* magic, she's animated clay.

I think this would be better expressed as "DC Hercules doesn't have any more special magic effects to his blows than Wonder Woman does."

Which is what I meant.

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Yea.

It's kinda interesting how WW has wins and losses while CM vs Supes is almost all draws.

She has very little wins over Superman, usually ones that don't do squats when you compare the feats and other encounters they had.

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She has very little wins over Superman, usually ones that don't do squats when you compare the feats and other encounters they had.

But she still has some. A few wins, a lot more draws, a few losses.

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Captain Marvel bloodlusted without PIS could seriously damage Superman with a magic amped punch. I think one or two Shazams to the chest could KO current Superman or come close to it. With KC Superman he took a mess of them and only got annoyed and slightly bloodied.

He took at least that many the second time Eclipso possessed him, and won the same way KC Superman did.

And I believe they even established Eclipso's possession didn't give him magic defenses. (And it certainly didn't amp his strength, considering regular Supes defeated a possesses Valor in the vacuum of space after getting the wind knocked out of him.)

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I personally can't remember any clear victories from Supes, either.

Eclipsed superman trashed cap so badly in their first fight that JLI wondered how he was alive and was out of commission for quite a while.

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But she still has some. A few wins, a lot more draws, a few losses.

Can anybody tell me when did diana knocked out Superman? Just curious.

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Eclipsed superman trashed cap so badly in their first fight that JLI wondered how he was alive and was out of commission for quite a while.

No he didn't

That fight was a lot more even than people think

Not talking about the damage afterwards, because I don't remember, but just about the fight

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Both times that Superman was possessed by Eclipso and he fought Captain Marvel were close.

The first time, Cap's attention was averted for just enough time for possessed Superman to break out of the headlock and knock him down then fly away. The whole of the fight before that was back and forth.

The second time, Cap didn't want to fight, and he still deadlocked with Supes in a test of strength, and Superman didn't get out of Cap's headlock until he turned back to Billy with shazam bolt spamming attempts.

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1. 50/50 if all out, CM if brawling only.
2. 50/50 if all out, CM if brawling only
3. CM.
4. Supes.

pretty much but I think KC supes was holding back more against KC Marvel as Marvel was giving him his best but Shazam bolts just weren't enough to keep him down.

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Kind of interesting how Supes < Adam, Supes = Cap, Cap > Adam in some showings...

Adam's also > Cap more often than not, but Supes is almost always portrayed a notch beneath Adam, while Cap is shown as more his equal..

Oct 11th, 2011 01:08 AM

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Kind of interesting how Supes < Adam, Supes = Cap, Cap > Adam in some showings...

Adam's also > Cap more often than not, but Supes is almost always portrayed a notch beneath Adam, while Cap is shown as more his equal..

If you want to talk about showings at unamped levels the only time Marvel/Black Adam really came off to me as superior was PC and that was mostly due to true invulnerability more than anything else.

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If you want to talk about showings at unamped levels the only time Marvel/Black Adam really came off to me as superior was PC and that was mostly due to true invulnerability more than anything else.

Not true. When Cap was fighting Eclipsed Superman, remember that Eclipso wasn't holding back, while Cap almost certainly was.

Yet, Billy still managed to get the upper hand towards the end of their first fight, up until he became distracted and gave Eclpsed Supes a free shot.

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Kind of interesting how Supes < Adam, Supes = Cap, Cap > Adam in some showings...

Adam's also > Cap more often than not, but Supes is almost always portrayed a notch beneath Adam, while Cap is shown as more his equal..

Its an example of the 'your own opponent' clause.

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1. Slight edge to Superman
2. Supes 7/10
3. Marvel
4. Superman one million

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Kind of interesting how Supes < Adam, Supes = Cap, Cap > Adam in some showings...

Adam's also > Cap more often than not, but Supes is almost always portrayed a notch beneath Adam, while Cap is shown as more his equal..

Really, can you tell me about any one of these instances where adam is one notch above Superman, because I seem to remember none. Superman thrashed cap in their first eclipso fight. I believe the quote was "You're lucky marvel, I have better thing to do than kill you", cap's reply "So why am I not feeling lucky". Chalk it to free shot all you want, but billy failed to took down an exhausted, weakened to the point that he was slower than an atlantean power girl superman with a cheap shot from behind and two free shots to the face. At their best shazam brothers are equal to superman, but at his best Kal is above them.

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Really, can you tell me about any one of these instances where adam is one notch above Superman, because I seem to remember none.

You're kidding, right?

Oct 11th, 2011 03:12 PM

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Here is the fight I was talking about
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Aftermath of that fight
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Here superman knocked Captain marvel senseless and punched from California to Hawaii and unlike Orion whom Kal punched to China Cap can fly.
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Cap then USES lightning amp to catch superman's punch
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So tell me where is it shown that Captain marvel=Superman.

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Cherry picked scans, devoid of context.

Supes and Cap were even in the first Eclipso fight, except Supes, being controlled by Eclipso, was bloodlusted and Cap was holding back.

In the second fight, Cap immediately recovered from those punches, and he wasn't trying to fight back.

Oct 11th, 2011 03:16 PM