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Cross Genre Match #18: Chun Li vs Elektra (With TP)
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I think we should only use the feats from the comic books of the SF characters or the anime series cause the moves in the games can just about whipe out any streel leveler


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can just about whipe out anyone.

Lulz.


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Lulz.
fixed. my bad should have been more specific.

are we good ?


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Her telepathy has never been stated to be related to chi in any way. The only possible way you could draw that conclusion would be from Drake's dialogue when they initially fought in Elektra's (second?) ongoing. Drake said Elektra was all flash and "spilled chi everywhere." That would still be a stretch though. The mystical Hand stuff has always been hinted to be just that, mystical.

The most impressive telepathic, and otherwise superhuman, feats Elektra has accomplished took place during Elektra: Assassin. During this series she was swapping the bodies of herself and other people for months at a time, broadcasting illusions from vast distances (all the way to Fury who was watching her on camera from an unknown location), causing so much strain on the minds of SHIELD operatives that they suffered brain hemorrhages and died, and continually forced Garret in and out of consciousness on a whim.

Outside of Assassin her psychic powers have, as already shown, included crowd control, long term hallucinations, and short to mid range communication, with the latter of the three occurring frequently with Wolverine, who has notable telepathic resistance.


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If Akuma is top tier with Shin Bison, Gill, and Seth then Ryu would be the next tier (before he hits his potential), Chun Li would be slightly weaker but in the same range. Beyond Elektra. They need to do an Akuma vs Iron Man, that might have ruled. smile


I'm talking about different versions more-so than the in universe character tiers. Game versions are really strong, some others less so. We're using a weaker version of Chun Li.

Udon versions are a fair bit lower and not even Akuma quite shows that level of power. No island smushing, heck, not even much more than destroyed buildings for the top-tier ones.


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I think Akuma might be much for Iron Man, but Iron Man has some awesome feats. Akuma might be herald level. Not sure.

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I'm talking about different versions more-so than the in universe character tiers. Game versions are really strong, others less so. We're using a weaker version of Chun Li.

Udon versions are a fair bit lower and not even Akuma quite shows that level of power. No island smushing, heck, not even much more than destroyed buildings for the top-tier ones.
Oh yea, well then different media of course. I've always said that.

Her TP would help some, but it wouldn't be an auto-win IMO.


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If Akuma is top tier with Shin Bison, Gill, and Seth then Ryu would be the next tier (before he hits his potential), Chun Li would be slightly weaker but in the same range.
healthy gen high up, and oro with his arm unsealed is equal to shin akuma

not sure if seth is that strong, gouki could probably kill him in his holding back state


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healthy gen high up, and oro with his arm unsealed is equal to shin akuma

not sure if seth is that strong, gouki could probably kill him in his holding back state
Gouken as well.

Akuma has the best feats though. Seth is still in the top level, he might not be as strong as some of the others, but he is their peers.


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Her telepathy has never been stated to be related to chi in any way. The only possible way you could draw that conclusion would be from Drake's dialogue when they initially fought in Elektra's (second?) ongoing. Drake said Elektra was all flash and "spilled chi everywhere." That would still be a stretch though. The mystical Hand stuff has always been hinted to be just that, mystical.

The most impressive telepathic, and otherwise superhuman, feats Elektra has accomplished took place during Elektra: Assassin. During this series she was swapping the bodies of herself and other people for months at a time, broadcasting illusions from vast distances (all the way to Fury who was watching her on camera from an unknown location), causing so much strain on the minds of SHIELD operatives that they suffered brain hemorrhages and died, and continually forced Garret in and out of consciousness on a whim.

Outside of Assassin her psychic powers have, as already shown, included crowd control, long term hallucinations, and short to mid range communication, with the latter of the three occurring frequently with Wolverine, who has notable telepathic resistance.
This states she controls others' ki with her mind.
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Gouken as well.

Akuma has the best feats though. Seth is still in the top level, he might not be as strong as some of the others, but he is their peers.
is gouken retconned into being alive, and/or is he there just for the sake of having him in the game?


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Well SF4 takes place between 2 and 3. Who knows what happens to him by the 3rd game. That retcon was silly though.


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Can a mod edit to include tp?

I knew it should have been DS vs Classic Strange.
Edited. Use a PM next time.


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is gouken retconned into being alive, and/or is he there just for the sake of having him in the game?


He's retconned to being alive. His original 'fatal' fight with Akuma put his body into a death-like state, and with the strength of his spirit he managed to spend years to recover from it.


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He's retconned to being alive. His original 'fatal' fight with Akuma put his body into a death-like state, and with the strength of his spirit he managed to spend years to recover from it.
Yea he is officially alive, though it is hard to say where it went after that.


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This states she controls others' ki with her mind.
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Controlling ki with her mind is not equivalent to controlling minds with others' ki.

Elektra has done things with chi/ki, and she has tricks that have never been linked to it, which makes complete sense given that the Hand have all sorts of mojo that is implied to be more mystical than chi related.

Telepathy falls under the latter category.

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With TP, I do think Elektra's going to get a nice share of wins.


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Controlling ki with her mind is not equivalent to controlling minds with others' ki.

Elektra has done things with chi/ki, and she has tricks that have never been linked to it, which makes complete sense given that the Hand have all sorts of mojo that is implied to be more mystical than chi related.

Telepathy falls under the latter category.
Your post makes no sense. She controls other people's Ki with her mind . If they have Ki manipulation powers of their own, it's conceivable they can resist external influences on it.

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So this thread just stopped because Chun pretty much stomps? Well not at weaker versions, but still.


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So this thread just stopped because Chun pretty much stomps? Well not at weaker versions, but still.



Eh I don't really agree....

There's been a lot of bluntly put... lies in this thread. And terrible logically unsound argumentation at that.

For one, Chun Li from Alpha didn't do squat but beat up a few thugs.
And this nonsense talk that she's on the same level of Ken and Ryu is just bullshit.

In Alpha she was shocked to see Ryu dodging bullets so that little movie doesn't account much for her speed.

And she may be typically on Guile's level, but he's also typically not even remotely close to as skilled, powerful or fast as Ryu and Ken.

Chun Li's feats are actually few and far between. We know that Street Fighter characters can take apart a car and Chun Li's "supposed" to be able to kick a tank apart.

I actually think the USA toon Chun Li was the only one that I've seen kick one apart... but I digress.

Udon is definitely the most powerful version with quantifiable feats of any sort.

Where it concerns Elektra's TP nowhere EVER has it been stated to be her manipulating chi.... and if that's the bullshit argument these people choose to believe then they need to realize that you presumably mean that Chun Li, a heavy chi, user would have more chi for Elektra to manipulate... Just stupid.


In any case, as I've said before.. Elektra is a character who gets written down to fight street level characters quite literally to the admission of various writers... She's the Superman of the street level tier constantly not using powers she's shown and displayed numerous times to give people a fighting shot who have no business fighting her. And where her TP is concerned it's presumably mystical in nature but very effective... She's successfully used it to block Jean Grey from reading her thoughts and used it to communicate to Wolverine.

As far as the fight's concerned....

Chun li IMO has the ranged energy attacks but I don't think they're powerful enough to drop Elektra who stood up to an optic blast to the face. At least not one... If Li manages to land several of them on Elektra then E's definitely in trouble.

IMO Li has faster limb speed at a constant rate while Elektra has faster burst speed.

They look to have about the same level of agility but Elektra's much faster when using it.

Li is physically a lot more powerful but with Elektra's superhuman durability I think Elektra could tank a number of her hits before being put down.

Finally, Elektra probably has more skill than Li in strict h2h in that her techniques are more refined where Li comes off almost like a bruiser in come respects. Elektra can slice apart the strongest alloys SHIELD has to offer with a rusty katana, I don't think Li would offer much resistance to her sais.

If Elektra effectively uses her TP it could be a stomp in her favor against Li.

If not, then I see this as a draw... They both have potential to end this fight when landing their first attack. Elektra can likely dodge or evade almost everything Li has to offer but at the same time would be hard pressed to close the gap on Li's fast as hell legs without taking one of those "decimates a car or tank in seconds" quick kicks to the face.

Either way it's a good matchup and definitely not a stomp in anyone's favor sans Elektra's effective use of TP. wink


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