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Parmaniac
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What proof you got?

Zoom isn't just "running fast" he creates a time bubble that allows him more or less to be as fast as he want if I'm not completely off.

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^ As I was saying though there isn't really any proof that Flashes are far faster than Prime. It also doesn't help that Hal managed to snag Zoom.

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^ As I was saying though there isn't really any proof that Flashes are far faster than Prime. It also doesn't help that Hal managed to snag Zoom.

Going by this, show me Primes best speed feat.

Fighting NOT travelling speed.

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^ I don't have to show you anything. People are arguing that Flash is faster than Prime and they're basing that on their fights, wether or not Flash is faster hasn't even been proven yet.

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^ I don't have to show you anything. People are arguing that Flash is faster than Prime and they're basing that on their fights, wether or not Flash is faster hasn't even been proven yet.

Because featwise he is, Prime never pulled similiar speed feats like Flash.

At best Prime is = Flash, and for arguments sake let's just say he is, Zoom is still able to blitz Flash.

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Because featwise he is, Prime never pulled similiar speed feats like Flash.

At best Prime is = Flash, and for arguments sake let's just say he is, Zoom is still able to blitz Flash.

Initially it took 5 (or possibly more) flashes to take down down SBP, that kinda implies that 1 Flash isn't enough in a fight, after that incident he got the phobia. Hey Zoom has better feats than Hal, Hal still snagged him.

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^ As I was saying though there isn't really any proof that Flashes are far faster than Prime. It also doesn't help that Hal managed to snag Zoom.

Even if Prime was as fast as the Flashes he'd still be a statue to Zoom.

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Initially it took 5 (or possibly more) flashes to take down down SBP, that kinda implies that 1 Flash isn't enough in a fight, after that incident he got the phobia. Hey Zoom has better feats than Hal, Hal still snagged him.

I think it was more like 3. Maybe four...can't remember if Jay was there.

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I think it was more like 3. Maybe four...can't remember if Jay was there.

I also remember 3, if we're talking about Infinite Crisis, the Flashes more or less blitzed him then he said he doesn't like Speedsters and jumped/flew out of the fight.

He was also BFRed into the Speedforce by 2 and later 1 Flash cause one gave up running IIRC.

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That was because he had a phobia not because he was physically slower. Zoom could win due to CIS though. What caused him to have a phobia was getting rushed by a group of Flashes.

His phobia was justified since he's never been portrayed as faster vs. them or on his own.

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Even if Prime was as fast as the Flashes he'd still be a statue to Zoom.

I'm not an expert on Zoom but I haven't seen a group of Flashes be a statue to Zoom in fact they seem to cope. I could be wrong, scans?

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I think it was more like 3. Maybe four...can't remember if Jay was there.

Last time I looked it was four, didn't I see two Flashes cope with Zoom with difficulty? I think it ended up with more than that in the end.

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I also remember 3, if we're talking about Infinite Crisis, the Flashes more or less blitzed him then he said he doesn't like Speedsters and jumped/flew out of the fight.

He was also BFRed into the Speedforce by 2 and later 1 Flash cause one gave up running IIRC.

Thats because he had help from the other Flashes. Could be wrong think it was more than three.

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His phobia was justified since he's never been portrayed as faster vs. them or on his own.

Your missing the point, he got blitzed by a group of Flashes that proves that a group of Flashes are faster than him.

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I'm not an expert on Zoom but I haven't seen a group of Flashes be a statue to Zoom in fact they seem to cope. I could be wrong, scans?

Last time I looked it was four, didn't I see two Flashes cope with Zoom with difficulty? I think it ended up with more than that in the end.

Thats because he had help from the other Flashes. Could be wrong think it was more than three.

Your missing the point, he got blitzed by a group of Flashes that proves that a group of Flashes are faster than him.

Zoom was probably toying with them if that happened at all. The one time a Flash did hang with him was when Wally got a massive amp.

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Zoom is far faster than Prime. What's there to discuss?

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I'm not an expert on Zoom but I haven't seen a group of Flashes be a statue to Zoom in fact they seem to cope. I could be wrong, scans?

Last time I looked it was four, didn't I see two Flashes cope with Zoom with difficulty? I think it ended up with more than that in the end.

Thats because he had help from the other Flashes. Could be wrong think it was more than three.

Your missing the point, he got blitzed by a group of Flashes that proves that a group of Flashes are faster than him.

He's been blitzed by kid flash as well and flat out ran from one flash since. He has no feats or is he portrayed as faster so the only logical conclusion is he isn't faster or as fast as they are.

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How is he too fast?

By being too fast.

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SBP clears this!!!!!

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His phobia was justified since he's never been portrayed as faster vs. them or on his own.

His phobia came from being dumped in the speedforce with a red sun that left him powerless four years.

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The fastest Prime has gone in his base form is lightspeed his combat speed is atleast equal to Superman. Zoom is way faster than Prime not sure why its even up for disscusion.

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He also counter blitzed the flashes before they went "speedforce dump" mode, but Zoom is...Zoom. Wonder how much he would have to work to make Prime a better "hero"

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That hardly a solid strength feat compared to what Prime has done

are you joking me? what prime ever do? broke the so called reality in a form of a wall? kal kent broke the time barrier and punched 853 centeries into the future while being in a very weaken state to the point he lost almost all his power, so if just a little of his power is enough to do such a thing then you dont have to be that smart to realise he is by far beyond prime or anyone in this league

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By all means Zoom is way "faster" than Prime and as so Zoom is his only real threat unless you believe the Superman 1 million hype which I dont

superman 1 million hype? we are talking here about the protector of the 1 million universe who can hold galaxies and punch time with his fists GTFO

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