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I will chime in here to add this. Skyfather levels are just something the fans made up as a ranking system on battleboards and writers honestly couldn't care less. The fairest most objective way to view this is what the writer gives us. If Odin beats Galactus then this writer views Odin as superior for whatever reason and I will accept it until another writer changes it.

This whole he's an abstract he wins or he's a skyfather he wins, he's multiversal, etc. is silly and suspends debate.

If someone can shut down a multiversal beings' mind then he can beat that person. This is in theory mind you. So all of these battle debates should be ultimately determined by their abilities, what's in character, and how they stack up against each other.


Quan? The voice of reason?

*headasplodes*


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Quan? The voice of reason?

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You do realize that was my herochat nickname once upon a time. They called me reason for short.


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Ha, I've never been on HeroChat, so I honestly didn't know.


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Ha, I've never been on HeroChat, so I honestly didn't know.
Well I am kidding someone once called me that sarcastically I took it and ran with it. I used to say that poster dubbed me the voice of reason just to screw with him. It worked beautifully.


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Stomp, Surtur without Twilight could stalemate him like Odin is doing now. With Twilight, Surtur destroys Galactus.


Zop.. Jesus.. you do realize that they have ONLY key word there is ONLY... had a TP fight right? That doesn't mean it would be a stalemate in an all out battle.. you understand the difference between just a TP battle and an all out battle. Moondragon and Mantis could stalemate Thanos in a TP battle but get utterly destroyed in an all out battle.

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Zop.. Jesus.. you do realize that they have ONLY key word there is ONLY... had a TP fight right? That doesn't mean it would be a stalemate in an all out battle.. you understand the difference between just a TP battle and an all out battle. Moondragon and Mantis could stalemate Thanos in a TP battle but get utterly destroyed in an all out battle.


Dude, it's more than just "merely" a TP fight. Galactus is HELLBENT on getting that seed, it means he'll never have to feed again (as acknowledged by Surfer himself on panel).

As we've seen in the Thanos Imperative, when upper level cosmics fight, there's more to it then mortal eyes can see.


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As far as we know, the battle resembled a telepathic showdown, with flashbacks to Odin and Galan's memories, respectively. As far as Thor and Sif and the others were concerned, the battle taking place was beyond their godly comprehension and I'm assuming Fraction and Coipel portrayed the battle as a "TP showdown" as the closest means to show us the confrontation between the two instead of conventional energy blasting spam.

In any case, whether it really was a TP battle in the strict sense of the word or it was a battle which really took place on a level Thor/Sif/The Reader couldn't comprehend in actuality, it shows us that Odin contended evenly with Galactus on the mutual battlefield. Nothing more, nothing less.

Getting pissed about "skyfather wanking" (and really, since when has Odin been wanked by Marvel? :/ ) or "cosmic jobbing" is ridiculous when we look at feats as a whole. Originally, Odin was portrayed on a level very close to Galactus, with Galactus possibly edging him out at his peak levels. Fraction has stated numerous times he wanted to hearken back to the Lee/Kirby days of Thor, blending the mystical with the cosmic. Why people are pissed that Odin will more than likely give Galactus a good fight and not be totally curbstomped by him, is beyond me.


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[B]As far as we know, the battle resembled a telepathic showdown, with flashbacks to Odin and Galan's memories, respectively. As far as Thor and Sif and the others were concerned, the battle taking place was beyond their godly comprehension and I'm assuming Fraction and Coipel portrayed the battle as a "TP showdown" as the closest means to show us the confrontation between the two instead of conventional energy blasting spam.

In any case, whether it really was a TP battle in the strict sense of the word or it was a battle which really took place on a level Thor/Sif/The Reader couldn't comprehend in actuality, it shows us that Odin contended evenly with Galactus on the mutual battlefield. Nothing more, nothing less.


The fight between Odin and Galactus was clearly portrayed as a telepathic battle in the comic. Are you really going to argue it was more than that? Especially when the preview of the next issue shows Odin getting pissed and rushing toward Galactus, with what looks like a physical confrontation?

Stalemating Galactus in a telepathic battle doesn't mean you're his equal in power. Thanos almost successfully got into Galactus' mind telepathically, but in terms of power, he's still an insect compared to Galactus. People rush to judge this fight way too early.

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I will chime in here to add this. Skyfather levels are just something the fans made up as a ranking system on battleboards and writers honestly couldn't care less. The fairest most objective way to view this is what the writer gives us. If Odin beats Galactus then this writer views Odin as superior for whatever reason and I will accept it until another writer changes it.

This whole he's an abstract he wins or he's a skyfather he wins, he's multiversal, etc. is silly and suspends debate.

If someone can shut down a multiversal beings' mind then he can beat that person. This is in theory mind you. So all of these battle debates should be ultimately determined by their abilities, what's in character, and how they stack up against each other.


thumb up Hmm, Quan, maybe I should read your posts again.

As for this thread, Galactus should win imho.


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The fight between Odin and Galactus was clearly portrayed as a telepathic battle in the comic. Are you really going to argue it was more than that? Especially when the preview of the next issue shows Odin getting pissed and rushing toward Galactus, with what looks like a physical confrontation?

Stalemating Galactus in a telepathic battle doesn't mean you're his equal in power. Thanos almost successfully got into Galactus' mind telepathically, but in terms of power, he's still an insect compared to Galactus. People rush to judge this fight way too early.


Judging from Thor and Sif's commentary, the battle was beyond their comprehension as two beings "more godly then they" battled. It sure as hell seemed like a psychic struggle, but then again, why would Fraction try to drive home the point that it was a battle beyond the conventional? Doesn't make much sense when they could have easily just said it was telepathic battle instead of attempting to portray it as a battle between two "omnipotents".

Thanos also sucker blasted Galactus off his feet, caused him physical damage to his armor/helmet in the process, and forced him to expend valueable energy to breach his shields. Not bad for an insect and Odin's feats clearly trump Thanos', imo.

It just seems like if this arc resolves with anything less than Galactus clearly obliterating Odin, with or without special gear such as the World Seed/Destroyer Armor/etc, people are going to be incredibly irked about it.


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