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See these is where panel fights/showings have to be anchored by powerset/feats imo. Glads is a straight up mid-high herald that possesses planetary destruction level power. He can go to a gear that Namor can never touch.

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namor loses, badly. even if we allow namor a chance to hang h2h (and he has with thor and hulk and herc so h2h he could certainly hang with glads) his heat vision would be the end of namor fairly quickly.

glads wins 10/10


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See these is where panel fights/showings have to be anchored by powerset/feats imo. Glads is a straight up mid-high herald that possesses planetary destruction level power. He can go to a gear that Namor can never touch.


I can't imagine Namor smashing a planet, but I can't imagine Namor getting smashed with ease by Gladiator either.

It's difficult to know when/where exactly to draw the line, in a consistent manner throughout any tier at least, imo.


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he is also the better fighter by showings, namor went toe 2 toe with hercules that alone gives him the edge over gladiator, also if we judge by how the both of them went up against wolverine.... i really see namor as the better fighter and the strength gap isnt that big between the 2 so i think due to better skills and overall fighting abilities namor takes him out



the strength gap is HUGE between the 2.

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I can't imagine Namor smashing a planet, but I can't imagine Namor getting smashed with ease by Gladiator either.

It's difficult to know when/where exactly to draw the line, in a consistent manner throughout any tier at least, imo.


Fair enough.

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the strength gap is HUGE between the 2.


depends on if you look at feats or battles. namor has ko'd hulk underwater and held his own against nearly every high level brick in marvel. i agree glads is stronger, but based on his battles, he is not THAT far above him and in straight h2h (if he can stay hydrated) namor could definitely hang for a while imo. add in glads energy and speed though, as well as his greater durability, and he wins, but if he stays h2h namor would certainly make him work for it.


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Gladiator 9/10


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There's no large gap between Gladiator and Namor strength wise. Going by some of the things I've read, it's like Namor has to destroy a planet or something to be considered a peer which is quite obviously silly as we'd have to apply the same reasoning to beings like Darkseid, Tyrant, Odin etc.

He's gone toe to toe with Hercules, Hulk, Sentry, Blue Marvel, Black Bolt etc. If I had to pick between one of the two strength wise, I'd pick Gladiator but there's no doubt that an argument could be made for Namor being equal.


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Even assuming strength wise they may be in the same league (even though I don't think they are), Gladiator is way faster, more durable, doesn't need to breathe (in case he takes the fight to space or something), and has freezing breath and heat vision. PIS/CIS off, Namor dies horribly.


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Even assuming strength wise they may be in the same league (even though I don't think they are), Gladiator is way faster, more durable, doesn't need to breathe (in case he takes the fight to space or something), and has freezing breath and heat vision. PIS/CIS off, Namor dies horribly.




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This thread is stupid. Gladiator has shown planetary strength and Namor only a few hundred thousand ton strength. Gladiator has shown ftl speed and reflexes. Gladiator at his best will easily whoop 10 Namors. This thread is spite.


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This thread is stupid. Gladiator has shown planetary strength and Namor only a few hundred thousand ton strength. Gladiator has shown ftl speed and reflexes. Gladiator at his best will easily whoop 10 Namors. This thread is spite.


meh, classic hulk has done the same (arguably more) as glads, but classic hulk never had an easy time with namor and flat out lost once.

i agree glads wins though, when adding all his other abilities. but not if they go just h2h. it would be a tough fight for glads h2h based on all namor's showings h2h vs uber bricks.


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not even close, Glads destroyed a planet. Only way namor wins is through PIS and glad having a bad day at work, getting constantly doted by his wife and his kids getting sent to a junior correctional facility on the same day.

Wonder why Glads stock drops here on KMC just drastically? I mean there is wolverine stabbing him, cannonball and gambit too, but the other ones aren't so bad as far as low showings go.


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I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks Gladiator is much stronger than Namor is seriously low balling the Avenging son.

He has a pretty good track record against the big guns. His worst showing was against Thor but he evened out somewhat by dropping Bill.


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not even close, Glads destroyed a planet.


and still never showed to be stronger than thor and was beat down by hulk. erm

again, glads wins via powerset. in h2h this would NOT be a stomp by any stretch.


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You all are debating panels/showings vs debating feats/powersets.

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It's just a matter of common sense.

Are you going to apply this logic to Tyrant or Thanos? How about Galactus?

People need to know where to draw the line and Namor is someone with a pretty consistent track record against elite strong men.

For the record, he once broke the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak I believe, and swam through a dimensional wave pool or something that was pinning the rest of the Defenders down IIRC. Also held up Utopia off panel. Not as impressive as shattering a planet in terms of raw strength I guess but even for someone who isn't a feat centric character, he has some under his belt.


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You all are debating panels/showings vs debating feats/powersets.


huh? not even sure what that means.... confused for my part, i'm using both. which is what we're supposed to do.....

namor has a LONG history of doing well against even the highest level bricks in h2h battle. based on his history, he could certainly give glads a run in a straight h2h battle. looking at overall powersets, glads wins.


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and still never showed to be stronger than thor and was beat down by hulk. erm

again, glads wins via powerset. in h2h this would NOT be a stomp by any stretch.


Pretty sure he KNFO Thor once and had a draw with him while Thor was amped. Sure he got owned by lightning once though.

The Hulk showing isn't bad at all considering Glads just thried to BFR him and took on a Thunderclap right through the ear, got pinned down through re entry then had Hulk(somehow knews how to) exploited his weakness. I didn't even see a punch thrown or a contest of strength.

There is really no comparison between strength. He already owned most of Namor's peers hyperion, wonder-man, etc


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huh? not even sure what that means.... confused for my part, i'm using both. which is what we're supposed to do.....

namor has a LONG history of doing well against even the highest level bricks in h2h battle. based on his history, he could certainly give glads a run in a straight h2h battle. looking at overall powersets, glads wins.


It means precisely what it says. People in this thread have two completely different views on how this fight goes. One group essentially says spite in favor of Glads, another says its a close fight, edge to Glads. I just find it interesting that that's the case here. The contrast of debating points I mean.

You have it basically right imo though. The op never stipulated a slugfest, so all things considered I think Glads smokes him. In strict h2h it'll be much closer, but Glads still takes it.

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