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carver9
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I can swing an object far faster than I can move. I don't think that have anything to do with reflexes...it circles around strength.


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I can swing an object far faster than I can move. I don't think that have anything to do with reflexes...it circles around strength.


are u swinging that object at multiple objects carver? it has nothing to to with strength if u r parrying and reflecting.


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Speed of thought and all that jazz...


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Speed of thought and all that jazz...
The thing is Thor appears in 1000+ comics and 1 good showing doesn't mean much. I know he has more, I can tell Quicksilver (relatively recently), the Volcano feat and the one above my post but considering his low showings I personally tend to label the high showings PIS instead of the low showings, every Thor fan can feel free to post more high showings to change my mind though.


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The thing is Thor appears in 1000+ comics and 1 good showing doesn't mean much. I know he has more, I can tell Quicksilver (relatively recently), the Volcano feat and the one above my post but considering his low showings I personally tend to label the high showings PIS instead of the low showings, every Thor fan can feel free to post more high showings to change my mind though.


True, but then, how often does Thor fight speedster bricks (like Superman, for example)?

Also, I just posted that scan as Sin recently posted a topic debating speedsters vs mental attacks, and I thought this was pertinent.

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How fast was that blast?


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^^energy based attack carver so presumably light speed, hard to determine, but he did react AFTER Enchantress blasted Steve

another example


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this is my argument for thor, mjolnir is not a power ring, a super computer, or a sentient weapon. Its simply a magic hammer. Now if thor can swing mjolnir ftl a multiple targets then he himself must have uber reflexes since he has enough reaction time feats to back it up.


I remember in one book it was stated that he moves faster than the eye can see.


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^^energy based attack carver so presumably light speed, hard to determine, but he did react AFTER Enchantress blasted Steve

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I'm about to PM you something. As for the scan in this post...nice ft...she was still seeable to the necked eye but Thor did stop someone going at super speed.


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Am I misinterpreting what a speedblitz is? Except for that first scan with Superman all over Imperiex/his probe, every other scan looks more like a bullrush/single fast attack. Obviously Thor can counter those. But what about an opponent who would be all over him with rapid multiple strikes (eg, Spider-Man/Masterson Thor)? Isn't that what a speedblitz is? That's what I think Thor would have trouble with, provided the opponent gets through an initial defense.

Maybe Thor is so good at blocking initial attacks because he couldn't handle what would happen if the opponent got through.


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Am I misinterpreting what a speedblitz is? Except for that first scan with Superman all over Imperiex/his probe, every other scan looks more like a bullrush/single fast attack. Obviously Thor can counter those. But what about an opponent who would be all over him with rapid multiple strikes (eg, Spider-Man/Masterson Thor)? Isn't that what a speedblitz is? That's what I think Thor would have trouble with, provided the opponent gets through an initial defense.

Maybe Thor is so good at blocking initial attacks because he couldn't handle what would happen if the opponent got through.
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Am I misinterpreting what a speedblitz is? Except for that first scan with Superman all over Imperiex/his probe, every other scan looks more like a bullrush/single fast attack. Obviously Thor can counter those. But what about an opponent who would be all over him with rapid multiple strikes (eg, Spider-Man/Masterson Thor)? Isn't that what a speedblitz is? That's what I think Thor would have trouble with, provided the opponent gets through an initial defense.

Maybe Thor is so good at blocking initial attacks because he couldn't handle what would happen if the opponent got through.


See, the problem with this is that Thor usually swings that hammer beyond light right in front of him. So, an opponent would be hard pressed to go through such a defense. Thus is why I think not many have been able to blitz him with multiple shots coming from all over.


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See, the problem with this is that Thor usually swings that hammer beyond light right in front of him. So, an opponent would be hard pressed to go through such a defense. Thus is why I think not many have been able to blitz him with multiple shots coming from all over.
This is the conclusion I'm coming to. But (if I may nitpick), no matter how fast Thor swings Mjolnir "right in front of him," a blitz-capable foe could suddenly veer to launch a lateral attack.

Thor's best bet (IMO): if he knows an opponent can/will launch a speedblitz, unleash an omnidirectional blast or set up a whirlwind forcefield so that all angles of attack are covered and/or the foe immediately counterattacked.


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Yes, he can.

Against a slower (but still fast in the general sense) character, Thor has the reflexes to wind up hitting them with a typical Mjolnir strike/throw. Against someone exceptionally fast, he can release an omni-directional blast, use weather manipulation, or quake the ground if they're not flying at him. If he wasn't able to use his powers and could only rely on physical attacks, he could be in trouble, though.

A speedblitz against Thor doesn't equate to him auto-losing.


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Originally posted by Sin I AM
this is my argument for thor, mjolnir is not a power ring, a super computer, or a sentient weapon. Its simply a magic hammer. Now if thor can swing mjolnir ftl a multiple targets then he himself must have uber reflexes since he has enough reaction time feats to back it up.
It's been suggested multiple times that the hammer's speed is a byproduct of the hammers magic.


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what people seem to forget is that Marvel doesn't portray speedsters in the same way DC does, with the exception of quicksilver and northstar...so u'd be hard-pressed to find a character speedblitzing another when they r herald level


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You'll need a tank who's also capable of no-selling Thor's defensive attack, for a true speedblitz.

For example, Quicksilver probably could do a speedblitz like in the OP. But if Thor parries the first punch with Mjolnir (and we've just seen him capable of doing so), and that parry connects with Quicksilver - well, he ain't exactly capable of recovering from a hammer to the face to throw a second punch.

If Thor is able to react to punch #1, it means he's faster reflex-wise than the original puncher. So I don't think the puncher will be able to then react, and do a second punch.

And as I said before, there aren't many speedster bricks who could tank the first parry/punch and yet be fast enough to out-react Thor.


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Isn't a good example. Her blast is a manefestation of her power. There's no proof of the speed of that attack after it manefests into a physical state, but honestly, we've seen X-men react to psy bolts etc.

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Again we have to have an idea of how fast that energy was sent flying. Did Thor throw the hammer after she shot it? How much of that feat is attributable to the hammer itself?

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Am I misinterpreting what a speedblitz is? Except for that first scan with Superman all over Imperiex/his probe, every other scan looks more like a bullrush/single fast attack. Obviously Thor can counter those. But what about an opponent who would be all over him with rapid multiple strikes (eg, Spider-Man/Masterson Thor)? Isn't that what a speedblitz is? That's what I think Thor would have trouble with, provided the opponent gets through an initial defense.

Maybe Thor is so good at blocking initial attacks because he couldn't handle what would happen if the opponent got through.



EXACTLY.
This is why we've seen Thor explicitly state things like Balder being faster than him in combat. erm


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It's been suggested multiple times that the hammer's speed is a byproduct of the hammers magic.



but his reaction speed must still be fast enough to react an initial attack


I have a magic hammer in my hand. someone shoots at me with a laser. I must first think of a proper defense, and lift my hammer to block, without me taking action, i will get shot, then u have to take into account if said attacker shoots multiple times


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