And a Space Marine is stronger than both, barring maybe the Hunter, while also being fast enough to fight faster than beyond-human reaction-times and perceptions can react to (As seen in Prospero Burns), and durable enough to withstand orbital bombardment, or an armour-piercing rocket to the face.
A Berzerker is bigger, stronger, comparable in speed, but above all else, much more durable.
Master Chief would kill several Space Marines in combat.
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I think that i saw a Dawn of War 2 trailer or some shit when space marines got hit by lightning, They died. a incineration cannon is enough to take on 10 space marines.
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I just joined this forum to add to this wonderful discussion, particularly to poke at your argument.
The chick that shot lightning was a Farseer, basically the most powerful Eldar class in their society. That lightning could fry damn near anyone, including basically any one of Halo's Spartans. At least, I assume you're coming from the Halo fanbase, I had to google incineration cannon and the first link that popped up was a Halo weapon with that nickname.
The helmetless Marine that could take it and kill her was fairly high rank and experienced; probably blocked out the pain with a combination of defensive Wargear, stonger armor than a standard Marine, intense hatred, and sheer stubbornness. Even then, from his panting, he probably still took the blow pretty hard. Some of his less important organs were probably fried and he'll have to visit an Apothecary at some point to get them good as new. Of course that last point is speculative; he really just had to survive for the sake of being a major character and the star of the trailer.
Now then, back to the incineration cannon; its definitely feasible that the weapon could take down 10 marines, the wiki entry for it stated it could take down Scorpions and Wraiths in one hit. Its definitely a powerhouse. Only problem is that its of Forerunner/Promethean design, so its not like a spartan would just have it sitting around on hand. Its a pretty exclusive gun. But that aside, I saw some MP gameplay of a person using it and it shoots fairly fast, but its very hindered in ammo.
Now think about this. The standard issue weapon of the Space Marines is the famous Bolter gun. Every single bullet fired by that thing is, I believe a .75 caliber (could be off by a bit, but its around there) self-propelled incendiary round. Basically, its like an RPG with a machine gun's fire rate and clip size. The spartan using his incinerator cannon would be able to fire off one shot before having to reload, which would open him up to a Space Marine's bolter. It'd tear him to shreds. His one shot probably wouldn't hit 10 marines at once. Its got a large blast zone, but they are not going to sit around in a tight cluster for a spartan to take potshots at. After the spartan was taken care off, the space marine(s) would definitely not leave that lying around, they'd immediately destroy it, or try to. That way, no one else would be able to grab it and use it against them again.
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I'm not sure if posting links is acceptable on this forum or not so I won't, but might I direct you to a video entitled "The Trials of Draigo"? Draigo would simply laugh as the combat knife clinked against him, doing absolutely no damage and then go snort some more warp dust and crush MC into a bloody puddle.
Of course, that's in complete jest. Draigo's got much more experience fighting much more horrific enemies than the Chief will ever face, but comparing Spartan physical traits and Space Marine physical traits, a standard Spartan would probably be fairly matched against a standard Space Marine in hand to hand. Knowing Chief's career record and talent, he could definitely fight for a good while with Draigo unarmed (and I count a combat knife as unarmed because it would just be a waste of time, the blade would just get snapped at some point; he's better off just doing normal melee) considering they're both powerhouse veterans and it'd be anyone's guess as to who would win.
As long as guns/melee weapons don't get involved, because 40k weapons, even just the Imperiums (not even counting the Necrons and their gauss weapons and insane geometry-warping technology) have a nasty tendency of outdoing just about any other Universe's weaponry in terms of sheer brutality and effectiveness. The only reason they appear less notable in their own universe is because, well, arms race rules. When one group introduces a weapon or device, other groups upgrade their own technology or even just their tactics to retaliate. That's the conclusion I've come to anyway. But I digress.
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