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did you say the same when thor has received upgrades?

colossus being upgraded means he's actually more relevant and the X-Men can face more variety of foes...since now he can go against legit CL100 threats


He's already a solid cl100. And it's not nearly the same thing.


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So, basically, Colossus should be upgraded for the sake of fights and feats and characterization be damned?
did I say that, no, don't you put goddamn words in my mouth!

how has his characterization been ruined exactly?


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He's already a solid cl100. And it's not nearly the same thing.
how is it not the same thing? thor is already solid class 100 himself. confused


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He's already a solid cl100. And it's not nearly the same thing.
he's basically at the lowest end of the CL100 spectrum, along with thing

just look at how he is regarded on kmc in debates, he is bottom rung CL100 class and gets no respect


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So, basically, Colossus should be upgraded for the sake of fights and feats and characterization be damned?
No.
colossus should be upgrade simply because its more intresting. this is the very reason they upgraded him, and it shows in sales
new colossus=more popular /more sales
its that simple.


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did I say that, no, don't you put goddamn words in my mouth!

how has his characterization been ruined exactly?


laughing out loud

Too easy to respond to that one.

He's the willing host/champion/whatever to a demonic elder god?

It's Colossus...as the Juggernaut. no expression

Better question is how has his characterization not been tarnished.


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how is it not the same thing? thor is already solid class 100 himself. confused


because when someone like thor gets an upgrade, it's done for a genuine reason. not like Colossus, which was just a stunt.

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he's basically at the lowest end of the CL100 spectrum, along with thing

just look at how he is regarded on kmc in debates, he is bottom rung CL100 class and gets no respect


That's the idiocy of comic readers, not the character's fault.

Look at Aquaman, for example.

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No.
colossus should be upgrade simply because its more intresting. this is the very reason they upgraded him, and it shows in sales
new colossus=more popular /more sales
its that simple.


Interesting how? You're not making a lick of sense.

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laughing out loud

Too easy to respond to that one.

He's the willing host/champion/whatever to a demonic elder god?

It's Colossus...as the Juggernaut. no expression

Better question is how has his characterization not been tarnished.


His characterisation has shifted considerably. I don't know how people aren't seeing that.


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how is it not the same thing? thor is already solid class 100 himself. confused


Colossus getting an amp by becoming a willing servant to Cytorrak is COMPLETELY different from Thor gaining powers from a source of energy which was always intended to be passed down to him by his father.

I shouldn't have to explain the mass difference in strength between the two.


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laughing out loud

Too easy to respond to that one.

He's the willing host/champion/whatever to a demonic elder god?

It's Colossus...as the Juggernaut. no expression

Better question is how has his characterization not been tarnished.
he's host because it gives him more powers, and better him than a villain have that power, no? in essence, his motivation for being juggernaut is very heroic, so I see no problems with the characterization


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he's host because it gives him more powers, and better him than a villain have that power, no? in essence, his motivation for being juggernaut is very heroic, so I see no problems with the characterization


it was a regression in his character. a pretty hefty one.


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bottom line, new colossus is increasing sales, The End.


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bottom line, new colossus is increasing sales, The End.


It's a gimmick, that's all.

Increasing sales doesn't make the comic any less the horror that it is at times.


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KMC y u no make sense?


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it was a improvement in his character. a pretty good one.
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Not really. You should try to make some sense.


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I don't know about the Juggernaut amp (even though I like the idea) but Colossus needed an upgrade. He is the powerhouse of the team, why not increase his strength?


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I don't know about the Juggernaut amp (even though I like the idea) but Colossus needed an upgrade. He is the powerhouse of the team, why not increase his strength?


Because if it's good enough for Ben Grimm, it should be good enough for Colossus.


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I don't know about the Juggernaut amp (even though I like the idea) but Colossus needed an upgrade. He is the powerhouse of the team, why not increase his strength?


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It's a gimmick, that's all.

Increasing sales doesn't make the comic any less the horror that it is at times.
thats your opinion. cleary more people buy it because the majority of people like it.


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