Because Kitty Pryde is traditionally not regarded as particularly powerful and the amount of mass she has been able to phase in the past has always been limited.
Despite that she was able to phase the entire bullet. It was a hollow shell of alien metal. Lets not make assumptions about how heavy it was.
This is all speculation. Loki is a shapeshifter through magic. His malleability comes through the invoking of said magic ability it is not inherent to his physicality. His inherent physical form is not more durable than Thors, his physical might is a class 30, less than Rogues.
Magneto incinerated Rax of the Neo a being stronger and more durable than Classic Rogue (class 50)
There's no speculation about it. Whether the source of his malleability is natural or comes through magic, it doesn't matter in the end. The source of how he's durable is less important than the fact that he is. He certainly doesn't need to make lengthy incantations or anything; most of his magic is simply willed into being by thinking.
Even ignoring that, Loki's durable enough to take blows from the Destroyer Armor and Mjolnir without being KO'd, so even his physical blunt force durability is pretty high. Handbook ratings mean little to me, especially when on panel feats trump the often inaccurate descriptions given by them.
3) Being able to shapeshift doesnt automatically make for greater durability. Hi Mystique Please show where its stated or explicitly demonstrated
At the end of the day, Loki is physically a class 30. He is no physical powerhouse, which is why he relies more on his mystical abilities. Classic Rogue is physically stronger, Rax of the Neo more so than Rogue.
Magneto casually incinerated Rax. CASUALLY. With the utmost exertion i see no reason why he couldnt do the same to a non mystically amped Loki.
Exactly, it was metal, and it was huge. Even if it was an inch thick, the thing would have weighed over billions of tons.
It was a sizable fortress to my recollection.
Well, let's go ahead and see this then. Plus, Mags is written down in the AVX series, so there's that as well.
Also, Rogue is no Loki. Hell, Loki is one of the few characters in comics to no sell Spider-Man. He's no average class 100 durability.
But it is. Loki's been hit by Surtur and hasn't been incinerated. Not saying that makes Void more powerful than Surtur, but it makes his feat pretty impressive.
And that's what this is, Void is as equally as impressive if not more so than Gaymor. You're better off with the implied power angle.
1.) Which is a part of his powerset and unless Loki wants to die or be demolecularized is a moot point. How it does it is irrelevant to the fact that he does it.
2.) Didn't say that. His inherent physical durability is enough to engage in prolonged battles against Thor. When Loki actually wants to fight, he's extremely formidable.
3.) Loki is a shapeshifter who's default durability is already exceptionally high (higher than his actual strength for sure). Combined, he's notoriously hard to put down and kill. The guy no sold a decapitation for Christ's sake.
"Physically class 30" means next to nothing in terms of feats. Citing a handbook over actual and consistent on panel feats is the only way you can come to the conclusion that Loki is some kind of weak feeb. Considering the crap Loki's endured, I don't see how Erik is casually vaporizing Loki. Also, suggesting non mystically amped Loki is akin to suggesting a Magneto who can't call upon electromagnetic manipulation. It's a part of his power set.
No idea. Unless he's referring to how Void ripped apart Loki who had the Norn Stones....which only further puts over how powerful both Loki and Void were in Siege.
But yeah, the idea Magneto is ripping apart Loki is laughable.
Loki is already, by default, pretty durable. One just has to look at his feats against people like Thor and Bill or even more powerful entities such as Surtur or the Destroyer Armor. Bringing up Mystique is a non point considering Loki's shape shifting is vastly superior to her own and already has incredible durability on top of that.
Loki is a mystical being who happens to be a god and elite mage, so a vast majority of his powers have to be invoked mystically. But it doesn't matter as its fair game as it's a part of his powerset. Just like Magneto has to invoke his manipulation of electromagnetic energy to perform, well, virtually all of his powers.
Again, this is the point being made:
-Loki, in spite of being physically inferior to most high heralds in terms of strength and durability, is still incredibly durable physically.
-Due to Loki's shapeshifting, which absolutely trounces Mystique's, Loki has a greater control of his body and molecules and makes him notoriously hard to kill.
Magneto isn't vaporizing Loki, sorry. Let alone Loki from Siege.
How durable Loki is prior to invoking his shapeshifting is a moot point. You have yet to prove that him invoking his shape shifting ability enhances his base durability. Furthermore Mystique as a shape shifter doesnt have beyond human durability. Why must you assume Lokis ability makes him enhanced? Where is the point stated on panel? Seems like an assumption youve made. Not good enough
Lokis shape shifting once again is an ability he has to invoke. So even if we were to say it increases his durability (which you have no proof of) then there is no evidence whatsoever (not artistically or by statement in the comic)to suggest he had invoked said ability prior to getting cremated.
With that in mind talking about how durable you think his shapeshifting makes Loki and then trying to hype Voidtrys feat of destroying Loki when u cant prove it makes him more durable or that the ability was even on at that point in the comic make your point moot
Why you keep dragging Mystique into this when Loki's shapeshifting is far more potent than her and he's across the board way more powerful is beyond me. Completely different scales. And ultimately irrelevant. And yeah, even Mystique has beyond human capabilties physically due to her shape shifting...part of the reason why she has enhanced longevity and a healing factor. But when Mystique can take her decapitated head and place it on her shoulders and reattach it, maybe she'll be relevant to the conversation.
Loki was amped by Norn Stones when he got destroyed by the Void, which means Magneto can do the same...how? Citing handbook statistics and how Rogue is tougher than Loki - not true, by the way - doesn't make sense, either.
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