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Powerful enough to be beheaded by Cyclops and Wolverine.

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Seriously though, I'd pick Stewart to win, personally. Feats like the bullet are high outliers, not the standard.

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^Which is still good enough by most standards.

Says the guy who emails physics professors with battleboard-centric questions.

The highest scale at which Strong Force operates is the nuclear level. Which is barely a couple of femtometers.

Thats far enough to hold an atomic nucleus together though...isnt it?

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Thats far enough to hold an atomic nucleus together though...isnt it?

Yes, it is. But it's not what bonds atoms together.

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Magneto's almost as poweful as Uri Geller!

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Yes, it is. But it's not what bonds atoms together.

It absolutely is...

Now note, I am talking about the structure of a single atom; not ionic bonds between multiple atoms...

At the scale of a single atom, the electromagnetic force keeps the electrons in orbit, while the strong force glues together the nucleus...

That, gentlemen, is 100% correct...

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It absolutely is...

Now note, I am talking about the structure of a single atom; not ionic bonds between multiple atoms...

At the scale of a single atom, the electromagnetic force keeps the electrons in orbit, while the strong force glues together the nucleus...

That, gentlemen, is 100% correct...

That physics stuff, it's science innit?
I don't believe in science.

If science was real we'd all be travelling in flying cars and going back in time to screw Marty's mother...

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It absolutely is...

Now note, I am talking about the structure of a single atom; not ionic bonds between multiple atoms...

At the scale of a single atom, the electromagnetic force keeps the electrons in orbit, while the strong force glues together the nucleus...

That, gentlemen, is 100% correct...

Sure, but you refuted Srank's post where he said bonds, obviously he is talking about shit like ionic and covalent bonds, are held together by electromagnetism... And he was right.

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Sure, but you refuted Srank's post where he said bonds, obviously he is talking about shit like ionic and covalent bonds, are held together by electromagnetism... And he was right.

No...

He said that electromagnetism bonds matter together; that is false...

Almost all of an atoms mass is in the nucleus and that nucleus is held together by the strong force; his statement is false as a result...

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Look at elements with complete outer valence shells; no ionic bonds needed...

What holds them together?

Hint...it sure as hell aint the electromagnetic force...

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lol

It does bond matter together... It might not be the only force involved, but it does. The fact that he specifically used the word "bond" and then mentions atoms scattering makes it clear what he was talking about.

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lol

It does bond matter together... It might not be the only force involved, but it does. The fact that he specifically used the word "bond" and then mentions atoms scattering makes it clear what he was talking about.

I thought I was being pretty clear... I guess not though. /shrug

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His powers were unstable

That doesn't mean he was any less powerful than normal.

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Magneto's power fluctuates, that's why I said full power. When he is in peak physical shape his powers also function at full power. That is when he *constantly* performs at high-herald/team-buster level. It's not just some occasional high-end feats. But I agree that *currently* he is not quite high-herald.

Even at full power he isn't a high herald.

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^Which is still good enough by most standards.

Says the guy who emails physics professors with battleboard-centric questions.

The highest scale at which Strong Force operates is the nuclear level. Which is barely a couple of femtometers.

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Nope.
I was joking.

If we place high heralds on a few high end feats, nearly everybody in herald tier would be high herald.

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Thats far enough to hold an atomic nucleus together though...isnt it?

You do know how small the nucleus is compared to the whole atom, don't you?

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Electromagnetism IS what holds atoms and molecules together: the electrically negative electrons and positive nuclei attract each other (Coulomb's Law etc.). Strong force has nothing to do with it, it is what keeps quarks together in protons etc.

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No...

Over 99.999% of an atoms mass in contained in the nucleus and that nucleus is held together by the strong force...

Electromagnetism keeps that electrons in orbit, but thats about it...

The discussion was about scattering atoms. Since the bonds between atoms are electromagnetic in nature, your reply to srank was unambiguously wrong and had to be corrected. Electromagnetism binds atoms together, in the form of covalent, ionic or metallic bonds (or intermolecular forces), and a sufficiently powerful control over electromagnetism would indeed allow one to scatter those atoms apart.

Strong force binds quarks into protons and neutrons and, further, binds those particles together to form atomic nuclei. But you don't have to break the nuclei apart in order to break the bonds between atoms and scatter them.

However, if you want to break the nuclei themselves that can also be arranged through the control of electromagnetism. The reason for radioactive decay of nuclei is that the electromagnetic repulsion between the positively charged protons overcomes the strong nuclear force trying to keep the nucleus together.

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You do know how small the nucleus is compared to the whole atom, don't you?

The size of the atom as a whole doesnt matter as the spaces between electron orbits are just that; empty space...

Over 99.999% of the atoms mass is in that tiny nucleus so thats what matters the most...

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he is not that powerful when there arent any metals around now isnt he??? ha??

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The size of the atom as a whole doesnt matter as the spaces between electron orbits are just that; empty space...

Over 99.999% of the atoms mass is in that tiny nucleus so thats what matters the most...

But if you take away the electrons the Atom will become unstable.

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The size of the atom as a whole doesnt matter as the spaces between electron orbits are just that; empty space...

Over 99.999% of the atoms mass is in that tiny nucleus so thats what matters the most...

Yup, scattering atoms is clearly mass manipulation.

Gtfo here with your purposeful misinterpretation of srank's theoretical hyperbole.

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Yup, scattering atoms is clearly mass manipulation.

Gtfo here with your purposeful misinterpretation of srank's theoretical hyperbole.

Dude, you dont even know what you are talking about; there is no "purposeful" misinterpretation of sranks statement...

He stated that electromagnetism bonds matter together; this is false...no if's, and's, or but's about it.

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