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Re: Re: Wonder Woman vs. High Heralds

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I think she's the clear underdog to pretty much everyone here power wise except maybe John who can really job at times. That being said, with her gear and lasso, she might be able to do very well against the more limited characters. Unfortunately, it's been shown that characters with Superman like speed can easily avoid her lasso if they know what to expect. And it's hardly infallible as we've seen over the years. Amusingly, John with his intangibility/shape shifting/telepathy on top of his already other formidable stats, should pretty much be Wonder Woman's worst nightmare in a fight but whatever.

Guys like Orion, Blue Marvel, Thor, Silver Surfer and so on beat her imho. Hyperion isn't as fleshed out but he's a beast, if Diana can score a win against him, I think it's going to be like fighting Superman: In a straight up fight, she'd be torn to pieces.

The only possible 5/10 I see is Orion who may fight her in an undisciplined fashion.

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Unfortunately, it's been shown that characters with Superman like speed can easily avoid her lasso if they know what to expect.

Her tiara, not so much! Also, she's gotten Amazo with her lasso via speed (just an arm rather than a full wrap, but still), and got Zoom with the lasso by using other attacks to control his location.

The lasso may not go in one shot, but it still gets applied successfully pretty often. It's a weapon, not a one-shot attack after all, and it can be used tactically in combination with other moves (using a lasso throw to make the enemy dodge into a punch, for example).

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I think it's going to be like fighting Superman: In a straight up fight, she'd be torn to pieces.

In a strait up fight, the *actual* Superman received bruised ribs, a limp from a leg kick, and a cut throat, and while she received a broken wrist, burns, and a minor concussion in exchange, was hardly 'torn to pieces'.

I take it you mean this Hyperion stands noticeably above bloodlusted full-power Superman? Hmmmm?

Because that's the only way some of the results of a few people's calls make sense, which I strongly do not think to be the case.

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Re: Wonder Woman vs. High Heralds

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Which of these is Diana at least 5/10 against? Is she truly in this class of heroes?

Wonder Woman vs,

WW wins over

-Gladiator 6/10

- Orion 9/10

-Thor 10/10

-Silver Surfer 5/10

-Captain Marvel/Shazam 10/10

-Black Adam 10/10

-Martian Manhunter 9/10

-Beta Ray Bill 10/10

-Hyperion (current) ?

-Blue Marvel 10/10

My reasoning is far better fighting skill against some and faster against others and one shot lasso win.

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Diana takes the majority against all of them except:

Thor
Silver Surfer
Martian Manhunter (they split)

More often than not I give Thor and Surfer a small edge against Diana.

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Personally I think Surfer at his best gets into trans, and any high herald without a specifically excellent match power set (lotsa energy absorption and stuff) is going to be at a disadvantage.

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H1a8 what are you smoking?

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H1a8 what are you smoking?

Whatever it was I think he passed it to Bentley. WW is not top tier, wasn't top tier and was never meant to be top tier.

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Whatever it was I think he passed it to Bentley. WW is not top tier, wasn't top tier and was never meant to be top tier.

She's clearly meant to be top tier. Or do you think the multiple times she's gotten draws with Superman or beaten herald or trans foes, was just 'accidentally' written and approved by the editors?

I mean, by both quotes and performance, she's consistently done quite well. Heck, even multiple of her regular villains have dropped Supes.

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Re: Wonder Woman vs. High Heralds

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Originally posted by Pillow Biter
[B]Which of these is Diana at least 5/10 against? Is she truly in this class of heroes?

Wonder Woman vs,

-Gladiator

- Orion

-Thor

-Silver Surfer

-Captain Marvel/Shazam

-Black Adam

-Martian Manhunter

-Beta Ray Bill

-Hyperion (current)

-Blue Marvel

Taking everyone for a majority.

Her numbers against these guys...

-Gladiator 4.5/10

- Orion 3.5/10

-Thor 3/10

-Silver Surfer 3/10

-Captain Marvel/Shazam 4/10

-Black Adam 3.5/10

-Martian Manhunter 4.5/10

-Beta Ray Bill 4/10

-Hyperion (current) 4/10

-Blue Marvel 4/10

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I go 1.5/10 for Surfer.

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Diana takes the majority against all of them except:

Thor
Silver Surfer
Martian Manhunter (they split)

More often than not I give Thor and Surfer a small edge against Diana.

Reminds me of the time Billy beat WW and half of the Justice League at the same time

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H1a8 what are you smoking?

WW defense and ability to counter attack is unparallel. She can beat most heralds one on one for a majority. The lasso is an instant win that single handedly gives her the edge in most forum fights.

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WW defense and ability to counter attack is unparallel. She can beat most heralds one on one for a majority. The lasso is an instant win that single handedly gives her the edge in most forum fights.

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Re: Wonder Woman vs. High Heralds

Wonder Woman vs,

-Gladiator-WW 4/10

- Orion-WW 3.5/10

-Thor-WW 3.5/10

-Silver Surfer-WW 3/10

-Captain Marvel/Shazam-WW 4/10

-Black Adam-WW 4/10

-Martian Manhunter-WW 4.5/10

-Beta Ray Bill-WW 3.5/10

-Hyperion (current)-WW 4/10

-Blue Marvel-WW 3.5/10

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Re: Re: Wonder Woman vs. High Heralds

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Taking everyone for a majority.

Her numbers against these guys...

-Gladiator 4.5/10

- Orion 3.5/10

-Thor 3/10

-Silver Surfer 3/10

-Captain Marvel/Shazam 4/10

-Black Adam 3.5/10

-Martian Manhunter 4.5/10

-Beta Ray Bill 4/10

-Hyperion (current) 4/10

-Blue Marvel 4/10

My thoughts exactly

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Wow. Was impressed by the Wonder love here, but now the "harters" are coming in who put her at either the very bottom of High-Herald, or the top of Low Herald.

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My thoughts exactly

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Wow. Was impressed by the Wonder love here, but now the "haters" are coming in who put her at either the very bottom of High-Herald, or the top of Low Herald.

She's mid herald.

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She's mid herald.

Mid heralds don't have fight records or hax win abilities like she does. The odds you give is at odds with her actual performances against High Heralds like Superman and Captain Marvel, and other characters stated in-universe POVs (Batman rates her above J'onn, Superman rates her number 2, etc.).

And there's still the matter that against someone like Max Lord, Manchester Black, Circe, or Loki, she's much better off than Superman or most high heralds. Against those types of foes, and that's not an uncommon type of foe, she's better off. Her overall level is High Herald.

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WW defense and ability to counter attack is unparallel. She can beat most heralds one on one for a majority. The lasso is an instant win that single handedly gives her the edge in most forum fights.

You really need to read comics before trying to debate them.

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Reminds me of the time Billy beat WW and half of the Justice League at the same time

Reminds me of the time Batman doing the same thing. Or Superman, or Diana herself.

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