When he's fighting War Machine along with Storm after Rhodie sucker punches them. You see his helmet starting to form and his eyes glowing. Then Storm says, "We need Colossus, not Juggernaut".
He summoned the Juggernaut armor fighting several people. Including Rulk, Thing, and I believe Spider-Man in Latveria.
Going by on panel showings, he has to activate his Juggernaut powers unlike Cain, and we don't even see him use them or even any indication he's using them once he goes Phoenix.
I can understand why you'd call it laughable though. I mean just take a look at your avi.
You can make excuses all you want, its still laughable. Calling me biased wouldn't make either Colossus or Juggernaut look any better.
And that showed Colossus powering up. It didn't show Colossus being powerless while not with his juggernaut helmet.
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If he doesn't have the helmet on in the first place, he isn't Juggernaut. Him summoning the helmet and armor and getting the glowy eyes are the visual cues of Juggernaut Power.
It's simple.
And what exactly did Sinister show? That he could alter his size as a Phoenix?
That was when he was in colossus form, then he summoned his juggernaut powers. Those red boots are his standard uniform, he wasn't powered up at that moment which is using wristbands and shit as his uniform.
What are you talking about? Thats clearly just the p5 costume with no indication of cytorraks imfluence at work. He practically refrained from using juggs powers all together during avx,.
Haha, what? He summons his helmet when he transforms into Juggernaut, losing it doesn't means he loses the power. Show one such instance where he lost the Juggernaut power when his helmet fell off. In fact Thing vaporized his helmet here, does that means he is no longer Juggernaut when he oneshots Thing?
No proof of that. In fact, the opposite is more likely. As he and Illyana went to Cyttorak personally and demanded he remove the Juggernaut powers. And then Cyttorak refused and sent them away. While he had the Phoenix power he probably completely ignored the Juggernaut abilities.
I understand that his power level is highly boosted. But he's facing a foe that is designed to be immune to non-magic damage.
And even if we ignore Cain's character concept and assume that Superman can punch hard enough to harm him; there remains the problem of keeping Cain down.
We are, after all, talking about a creature that has remained fighting even after more than 90% of his body mass was magically blasted off.
Superman's best hits could literally go right through the guy, and it wouldn't keep him down.
Even if you remove entire sections of his body via brute force, new ones would simply re-form. Juggernaut magically regenerates lost tissue.
This is not a creature that can be beaten to death. Cain is powered by magic energy, not blood and bone...
Punches will not win the day against this foe.
Clark needs to bring his brain, not his brawn, to the table here.
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Last edited by jaxthejester on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 06:59 PM
Superman at this level was said to be capable of beating someone who had absorbed the power or multiple galaxies. He might well be able to just incinerate Cain. That being said, Supes doesn't do that. So punching will do. Comics are funny that way. Cain can completely reconstitute himself, yet I bet if you hit him hard enough (and by that I mean cosmically hard) he just gets KOed.
Absorbing a small portion of the power of a single Sun does not allow one to match raw power with a being that has absorbed the FULL power of multiple Galaxies, each littered with BILLIONS of their own Suns.
One does not need to have read the issue to know that other factors are at play in such a scenario.
Plot Line/Context Sensitive Events were occurring to help facilitate his victory.
Or else it is a horrid case of PIS. Take your pick, I suppose.
But basic common sense dictates that Superman cannot just up and destroy Multi-Verse Class Beings with a right hook, simply because he kicked it in the Sun for a bit.
That is a fine case of A + B = C logic failing the reader in the worst way.
Think about the ramification of such a claim-
If Darksied threatens the JLA... Superman takes a Sun dip and one-shots him.
If SBP and Anti-Monitor show up... Superman takes a Sun Dip and one-shots them.
Captain Marvel and Black Adam at the same time? Forget about it. Sun Dip. One Shot. End of story.
A troop of Celestials? Not when a Sun is nearby.
...Superman is not the big brother of Galactus.
Story plot requirement, or writer failure, are the Occam's Razor for such a defiance of basic reasoning.
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Last edited by jaxthejester on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 07:44 PM
First of all, Superman clearly metabolizes solar energy with much more than 100% efficiency--might not make sense, but seems to be how it goes.
Superman didn't just catch some rays here. He totally transformed. He was a cosmic being. IT was dumb. I didn't like it. I don't think other writers would follow suit if he went to the Sun again, i.e. under most writers he'd just get a power boost and not a radical transformation.
That being said, if the OP insists on using this one portrayal, then dumb and illogical as it is, Superman is fricking ridiculously powerful.
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