defeat? no no. they would assimilate the empire and add their biological and technological distinctiveness to their own.
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This is true under specific circumstances. They would need to assimilate SW tech very very quickly though, Weapons, Armor, Shields, and Hyperdrive tech are all technologies they would need to assimilate in order to operate on par, and it is well within their means to do this, assuming they don't get plowed out in the first volleys.
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You know, that statement reminds me of a time when I saw a Borg vs Unicron debate, and I said that it was possible, barely, that they could assimilate a purely machine version of Unicron.
The someone wrote a line... "I am Unicron of Borg. Resistance is futile."
I lol'd
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beam a few drones into the deathstar, assimilation ensues, same as in first contact. then it's borg + deathstar.
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The problem with the transporter spam that many espouse in such matches is that transporters are INCREDIBLY easy to jam. Any sort of jamming, deflector shields, magnetic fields, particle shields, actual countermeasures can screw up a beaming lock-in, which it has done so throughout the franchise. The borg are not immune to this phenomena either, and the Imps have no reason to drop their shields and jamming...
yes, but the borg showed beaming abilities far superior to that of the federation, showing none of it's weaknesses. thats part of what made them so menacing was the ability to beam in undetected and unhindered.
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as DSZ pointed out, federation beaming technology had it's limitations, one prominent one being that they could not beam through shields. if SW shields are anything like ST shields, that would hinder them.
the borg however have no such problem with their beaming tech.
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They are big, but not GE or New Republic big. They aren't going to win a slugfest with either of them.
Hmm, Their transwarp tech (the only way they can keep up with hyperdrives) is dependant on hubs, fixed locations. their disrupters are quite powerful, but they don't deploy them in anywhere near the numbers of the SW factions. As for shielding, and their adaption, that's a different thing. If their ships can survive long enough to get any sort of adaption method from the plasma blaster type used in SW weapons, which aren't frequency based like most ST weapons, then they can adapt to one of the primary weapon types in SW. But the thing about SW Capital Ships is that their weapons are incredibly varied. Tibanna gas powered blaster weapons are only but one weapon type, there are also weapons such as missiles, torpedoes, ion cannons, railguns, plasma launchers, and a whole mess of others...
Eh, from what I recall of the series and the movies, the Borg never beamed directly through active shields. Lets use First Contact as an example. Picard acknowledges that their shields were down when they destroyed the Borg Sphere, and yes, the Borg have been known o evade sensor detection while doing this somehow.
The only exeption was One, because he was made using 29th century tech... That's a Deus EX Machina.
hmmm just checked the script and you are right. the temporal wake disabled the enterprises shields in the time travel scene.
but yes, they did beam through shields quite handily in the show.
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No, they're not. But after they adapt, the greater numbers of SW will mean little, if anything, it could potentially mean more Borg drones and modified ships for the Borg.
Hyperdrives are vastly superior in getting from Point A to Point B, no doubt. But in combat, the SW ships can fight in hyperdrive (iirc), ST ships (including Borg) can. That is one huge advantage in combat.
It's not even "surviving", they could destroy cube after cube, in time, these attacks would allow the Borg as a collective to adapt. That's part of how Borg adaptation works. You harm them, they take it, analyze it and build a counter. I doubt you'd argue that the vast majority of the Borg would die before they started to adapt.
but yeah they would just beam in and out as they pleased, further frustrating the crew by ignoring them as they went about their enterprise-hacking and data-collecting.
almost forgot: adaptive borg shields (on ship and on person) are another advantage which put them over the empire imo
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Firstly, it depends greatly on how adaptable they are to SW Weapons. Now, I'm not one of those fools who says it is an impossibility because of how differently the tech works, they "Could" potentially adapt at some point.
Second, I don't think their warp fighting would matter all that much when the opponent literally can move thousands of times faster then they can. The only way to get at them then is to try and predict where they will pop up, and then, if they figure out about the gravity Well weakness in Hyperdrive travel, then it's possible to exploit that.
Third, Well, again, that depends on how quickly the Borg Ships get blown away. If it turns out to be a OHKO as per a few Warsies using the ICS Calcs, then yeah, I can say that the GE would literally wipe out the Cubes before they could transmit any adaption algorithms to the rest of the collective. Seeing as how I am more reasonable than many, I would say that they could transmit the algorithm by piecemeal, but that is going to take a while, especially since blasters aren't frequency transmission type weapons.
Never understood this "blasters, so the Borg can't adapt" argument. Seems like a cop-out to me. There are blaster type weapon in ST as well. Some Klingon disruptors as an example. ST and SW are both particle weapons.
Yeah, the SW ships could potentially enter hyperspace and **** off. But the SW could still initially attack them while at warp. Which is a massive advantage.
All it would take in theory is one Cube getting shitbagged while another is in range to withness/scan it.
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