Prof. T.C McAbe
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Jmanghan
Vegeta resisted Babidi, I'm not sure why Goku couldn't.
Because Goku is an idiot. And that's not even insulting.
May 3rd, 2016 11:39 AM
The Ellimist
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He's actually a pretty good tacticians; nonetheless intelligence and willpower aren't really the same thing.
That being said, it seems like sheer willpower isn't enough; you also need to be strong in the Force, which Goku isn't.
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May 3rd, 2016 11:45 AM
Jmanghan
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Because Goku is an idiot. And that's not even insulting.
And Vegeta was any better?
Goku was a better tactician in battle and was a combat genius.
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May 3rd, 2016 12:39 PM
Tondemonai
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by The Ellimist
Read my whole post, dude. I said that a Force storm would kill Goku after he lowers his ki, just like a raygun basically did.
Again, implying that anything from the SW universe can kill Goku is ludicrous. Base Goku took repeated hits from Final Form Frieza with nearly no visible injury for the majority of their fight (whilst Goku was in base form), and implying that he is somehow so much more susceptible to attacks when his guard is down that Sheev could wound him is hilarious. He retains his same physical durability, all that happens when he reduced his Ki is he restricts his ability to generate extremely powerful energy waves and hit as hard. By no means does it show that he is any less physically durable than he would be if he were in SS; energy wave survivabiliy yes but physically he can still withstand being punched through a mountain just as easy.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You know something? Force Drain is a big asset against overwhelming odds as apparent from the fate of Abeloth.
Both Palpatine and Vitiate are masters of Force Drain; Vitiate even more-so.
Therefore, one of them can preoccupy Goku and the other can siphon his energy consistently to weaken him.
Look at the example of Luke Skywalker and Darth Krayt versus Abeloth
It's funny because you think that either would be able to use it, or even consider its use, before dying.
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May 3rd, 2016 02:51 PM
The Ellimist
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Tondemonai
Again, implying that anything from the SW universe can kill Goku is ludicrous. Base Goku took repeated hits from Final Form Frieza with nearly no visible injury for the majority of their fight (whilst Goku was in base form), and implying that he is somehow so much more susceptible to attacks when his guard is down that Sheev could wound him is hilarious. He retains his same physical durability, all that happens when he reduced his Ki is he restricts his ability to generate extremely powerful energy waves and hit as hard. By no means does it show that he is any less physically durable than he would be if he were in SS; energy wave survivabiliy yes but physically he can still withstand being punched through a mountain just as easy.
I guess you weren't familiar with the reference.
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May 3rd, 2016 02:52 PM
Tondemonai
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actually I am, and implying that any Force-based attack that either opponent could use would match the power required to replicate the power of Sorbet's Bad Ring Laser is laughable.
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May 3rd, 2016 03:05 PM
The Ellimist
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Lol what power?
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