Moral Compass of Atheists

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]But with out something actually backing it up that is beyond the Human Element that just makes Morality and whatnot just a Matter of Opinion.
So why should anyone else care what Your Opinion is? [/B]

Okay, so let's take your assumption: we need a deity to hand down morals, laws, rules. Where do we get such instructions?

And if you say archaic books like the Quran or Bible keep in mind that those books still advocate slavery and the subjugation of women, etc (things we all agree are wrong). And if you pick some religious text, how do you choose which one? On what criteria? We've kind of ignored certain barbaric crap in those books anyway, so do we really need archaic literature as moral guides for our lives? No. So where did the morals compass for ignoring certain crap in our religious texts come from? Us. Humans.

It's up to us to come up with a consensus on morals to prevent as much suffering as possible.

IT is still just a matter of Your Opinion. Nothing is Wrong.
You say Slavery is WRONG! Why? Because you don't like it ? I should I respect or put any value on that just because You don't like it? I should be allowed to live my life however I see fit, and if that means doing things you disapprove of then that is just to bad. A Consensus is just You wanting to put yourself and your vies in place of a "Gods". And you say that is bad and or wrong.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Okay, so let's take your assumption: we need a deity to hand down morals, laws, rules. Where do we get such instructions?

And if you say archaic books like the Quran or Bible keep in mind that those books still advocate slavery and the subjugation of women, etc (things we all agree are wrong). And if you pick some religious text, how do you choose which one? On what criteria? We've kind of ignored certain barbaric crap in those books anyway, so do we really need archaic literature as moral guides for our lives? No. So where did the morals compass for ignoring certain crap in our religious texts come from? Us. Humans.

It's up to us to come up with a consensus on morals to prevent as much suffering as possible.

It's been said before, but I feel pity for people who believe they need the threat of punishment and/or some eternal reward from an invisible faith based being in order to not act monstrous to other people.

Much better to live under the threat coming from people holding Political Power. That's MUCH BETTER!

if you hate laws so much, why don't you gtfo and move to pakistan.

You tell me what part of this Earth I can go to where I don't have to worry about it getting taken over by a bunch of Leftist Progessive SociNazis and I will move there. If you can't....well I guess I will just have to stay here and fight for the way of life I prefer to lead.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]I guess I will just have to stay here and fight for the way of life I prefer to lead. [/B]

Oh they won't take me alive. I will just claim I am an Illegal Immigrant from a Islamic Country. Then I get to walk free. TO LIVE LAWLESS AGAIN!

Next stop..BASHY's House!!

Originally posted by Flyattractor
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Next stop..BASHY's House!! [/B]

i told you i don't want to buy any of your crack-cocaine.

Oh I aint SELLING!

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Okay, so let's take your assumption: we need a deity to hand down morals, laws, rules. Where do we get such instructions?

And if you say archaic books like the Quran or Bible keep in mind that those books still advocate slavery and the subjugation of women, etc (things we all agree are wrong). And if you pick some religious text, how do you choose which one? On what criteria? We've kind of ignored certain barbaric crap in those books anyway, so do we really need archaic literature as moral guides for our lives? No. So where did the morals compass for ignoring certain crap in our religious texts come from? Us. Humans.

It's up to us to come up with a consensus on morals to prevent as much suffering as possible.

The Abrahamic notion of morality is self-defeating, because it effectively argues that humans cannot make moral determinations without God. But if that is the case, then how do they determine which book of moral pronouncements is correct?

If morality is not something that humans do, but is something that is dictated by a god, then how could humans possibility compare and contrast the morality dictated in various holy books and make a determination of which is correct?

That is why God wrote it down. So that Humans don't have to Compare and Contrast. They just have to follow the RULES as Written.

Adam's point is that there are many holy books that have conflicting morals/ideas, all claimed to be the product of the true God, so how would we know which one of them is correct?

There are multiple holy books with moral pronouncements that claim to be authored by a god. How are humans to discern which book is correct if they are incapable of making moral determinations?

Go with the book that has the best tldr version available.

If god authored all these books, several of them best sellers. Why isn't god asking for royalty payments?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
if you hate laws so much, why don't you gtfo and move to pakistan.

I agree, and this applies to everyone, including illegal immigrants 👆

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]IT is still just a matter of Your Opinion. Nothing is Wrong.
You say Slavery is WRONG! Why? Because you don't like it ? I should I respect or put any value on that just because You don't like it? I should be allowed to live my life however I see fit, and if that means doing things you disapprove of then that is just to bad. A Consensus is just You wanting to put yourself and your vies in place of a "Gods". And you say that is bad and or wrong.
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Well pay attention folks, don't go to Fly's house if he invites you over for dinner. He'll enslave you and rape your wife and daughters because he apparently doesn't know what's wrong with it.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
He'll enslave you and rape your wife and daughters because he apparently doesn't know what's wrong with it.

So in other words...he joined the nation of Islam. Damn.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Well pay attention folks, don't go to Fly's house if he invites you over for dinner. He'll enslave you and rape your wife and daughters because he apparently doesn't know what's wrong with it.