Originally posted by carver9That's just speculation. The Daizenshuu is 100% canon and lists 4th form Freeza's PL at 120m -- so that's what it officially was. IOW, 4th form Freeza is about 226x more powerful than 1st form/base Freeza.
Some people were saying his PL is higher than 120 mill.
Anyway, the specific percentage of power base Freeza used to destroy planet Vegeta is irrelevant, and completely unknown. What we can say for sure is that he destroyed the planet effortlessly, and didn't appear to be the least bit taxed afterward -- so he obviously didn't pour all of his power into that attack. Maybe it required 1/2 of his base power; maybe it required 1/4. Who knows? /shrug
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So?Jupiter has more gravity than Earth but is made of gas.
You're an idiot, Carver.
I think he's trying to fellate the feat because the added gravity would make it that much more difficult to move maybe? I dunno. I would've kust asked who can casually destroy a planet and left the masses decide
See here's the thing.
Gravitational pull, all things being equal, depends on mass.
Durability depends on density.
Just plug into the equation D=M/V. The fact that the planet was bigger (V) and had a higher pull (so higher M) means that without a concrete value for the size, one cannot say if the Density was higher or lower.
So we can't say if the durability was higher or lower.
Originally posted by Galan007
The Daizenshuu is...
... still just a handbook 😉
But fair enough, fair enough 👆
You do agree that 1% FF Frieza is > 3rd form Frieza though, right?
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I'll try to get ahold of jin, so he can elaborate on the 0.025% thing... so expect this thread to get bumped in a few months.
That is, unless you guys ruin it and force mods to close it 😂
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
See here's the thing.Gravitational pull, all things being equal, depends on mass.
Durability depends on density.
Just plug into the equation D=M/V. The fact that the planet was bigger (V) and had a higher pull (so higher M) means that without a concrete value for the size, one cannot say if the Density was higher or lower.
So we can't say if the durability was higher or lower.
This is the same fiction that has a Kai planet the size of Pluto with ten times Earth gravity though.
And Goku got punched through it, didn't he?
Pretty sure it was damaged by much weaker characters.
Originally posted by cdtm
This is the same fiction that has a Kai planet the size of Pluto with ten times Earth gravity though.And Goku got punched through it, didn't he?
Pretty sure it was damaged by much weaker characters.
Yeah you can have a tiny planet with a high gravity - it just needs to be very dense. That's just means the DBZ characters are that strong.
With Planet Vegeta? It's bigger, and has a higher gravity. No word on it's durability.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWYou know how it works in DB. The Daizenshuu is just as canon as the manga. 😛
... still just a handbook 😉But fair enough, fair enough 👆
You do agree that 1% FF Frieza is > 3rd form Frieza though, right?
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I'll try to get ahold of jin, so he can elaborate on the 0.025% thing... so expect this thread to get bumped in a few months.That is, unless you guys ruin it and force mods to close it 😂
The 1% thing was never stated in the manga. That's anime filler only, and definitely wouldn't make canonical sense, as 1% of 120m is only 1.2m.
In the manga, he was likely using around 3-4% power initially, as that would have logically put his PL above that of his 3rd form.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
I think he's trying to fellate the feat because the added gravity would make it that much more difficult to move maybe? I dunno. I would've kust asked who can casually destroy a planet and left the masses decide
You're right on the initial post. Also, I think this ft is far beyond casually destroying a planet. Lol.
Originally posted by Galan007
You know how it works in DB. The Daizenshuu is just as canon as the manga. 😛
Marvel's official handbooks are canon, too.
Same with great many other encyclopedias, guidebooks, visual guides, fact files or whatever they choose to call them for other fictional universes.
We still use them as the secondary source on this site. They just can't hold a candle to what happens on panel/on screen.
Originally posted by Galan007
The 1% thing was never stated in the manga. That's anime filler only, and definitely wouldn't make canonical sense, as 1% of 120m is only 1.2m.
Ah, thanks. That explains it 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
In the manga, he was likely using around 3-4% power initially, as that would have logically put his PL above that of his 3rd form.
Yeah, now it all makes sense, you've cleared it up.
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Have you figured out what really "counts" in Super, btw?
I mean... when Gotenks fought Beerus in BoG... was he base, SSJ or SSJ3? We trust the anime, movie or manga? 😛
Originally posted by carver9
You're right on the initial post. Also, I think this ft is far beyond casually destroying a planet. Lol.
Right I get how you think. Anyway that's not really impressive, I mean I get that in DBZ higher gravity means it's harder to do stuff but you could've left that out. Also the numbers is unnecessary because like someone said comics don't work like that. If in you words it's far beyond casual that's the verbiage you should go by.
For the thread Monica could do it.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Right I get how you think. Anyway that's not really impressive, I mean I get that in DBZ higher gravity means it's harder to do stuff but you could've left that out. Also the numbers is unnecessary because like someone said comics don't work like that. If in you words it's far beyond casual that's the verbiage you should go by.For the thread Monica could do it.
You're the same person that said Colossus can take a continent level attack. Thanks for the reply though.
Originally posted by carver9
I just want to share that Frieza EFFORTLESSLY destroyed a planet far more durable than Earth with 2 fingers without even using his maximum power of 0.0025% of where he was at. No one in the Herald or trans tier compares to this. I was hoping people above this tier could be used. This ft is beyond even Thanos.
Prove the 0.0025% claim.
Hell, prove Frieza did it at less than 50% of his power.
Clear proof.
Originally posted by h1a8
Prove the 0.0025% claim.
Hell, prove Frieza did it at less than 50% of his power.
Clear proof.
Read the first page. His first form power level when he blew up planet Vegeta was far less than 1%. He have to transform to utilize his other power. His first form had him at 530k, second transformation, 1 million, 3rd transformation, I dont know but his last transformation was at 120 million. He can not utilize his 120 mill in his first form or any other forms. Lol... that defeats the purpose of him transforming. He transforms so that he can become more powerful. You should NOT comment in threads when you have no clue of the characters. Me typing this is a waste of energy.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Do you know what a continent is, carver?
I just reread his post. Its not the size of a country but its bigger than your standard city. DBZ cities and countries are not built like your standard city here. Their cities are HUMONGOUS. Smallest probably being the size of Tokyo.