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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I disagree.

He actually wtfpwned Cap several times.

Intercepting and beating him with his own shield, breaking his arm or no-selling his blows, like above.

Cap has good showings against him, too, but it doesn't happen too often.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Cap has koed him three times. That's more than Hulk has achieved.

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He did get Hydro-Man's powers. Had the Serpent Crown, too (not sure if he still does or is affected by it).

But, most importantly, there's this "righteous rage" amp which is not exactly clear. But his performance was crazy. In the Avengers scans that you ignored, old man. They were reposted 333 times.

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Originally posted by leonidas
lol

of course that showing was awesome, but it was so far out of character for him it didn't really seem to apply. that's why i was asking if the feat has been replicated and if the amp were sort of...official. if the jury is still out, not sure it's enough to totally erase his more typical showings throughout his career.

in general i think namor>ben, but ben has always done well at hitting above his paygrade (see most fights with hulk...) so it isn't as cut-and-dry (pun intended) as just who has the better strength feats.