I'm with Janus. Most newbs know crap and post useless nothings like it's gonna affect the debate or something. I think I'm a little too mean sometimes too, but like he said, not to the ones who type something you can read and actually know what they're talking about. I think the biggest reason newbs get bashed is because they have a very condescending way of expressing their opinions.
Originally posted by darth vraya
If you read the Kotor 2 manual you will see the Juyo is weak against the force. It is said that Windu uses a spoof of the Juyo which means his form is weak against the force therefore Kriea would win because she uses the force all the time in battle. in summary: Kreia
That;s just for gameplay purposes. It's not really like that since Mace was able to deflect stuff prett easily.
And you were nice to me Janus, well at least I think you were.
kreia simply because she has more force knowledge by far she dropped three powerful jedi masters with ease and can use telekenisis to send floating lightsabers after mace.
But that doesn't matter screw all logic and common sense, mace is a movie charachter so he'd pwn all eu charachters and u nubz because after all he's in a movie just like obi-won whose the best jedi ever because he beat the chosen one whose all powerful, who cares if he's a whiny dumbass who fails at everything he does, he's the chosen one after all get real people. Who needs common sense when you've got supershadow and illogical opinions, (end sarcastic rant).
Now to kill some noobs and earn some cookies oootanieee!
Glentract posted a naughty pic, I believe.
And Dresta, regarding Sidious' Force lightning- I think it is genuinely that strong. I mean, look at the measely lightning Dooku would project. Now compare it to that lethal wave that Sidious projected. It's no wonder Mace was hard pressed to deflect it (Although he was surprised by it, that much is true).
Which leads me to another point, if Mace was caught offguard by Sidious' force lightning (Since it would be something no jedi had seen in a millenium) Kreia's larger bag of tricks would keep him in a tight spot.
I've been reading this forum, I have been very disappointed. I am a newb to this forum, but a veteran in Star Wars' EU history. But to the main point, which is why I am disappointed. Firstly, several people are talking about Mace's shatterpoint realization skills as if he is the God of them. However, according to KOTOR: II, Kreia was able to perceive shatterpoints, which she called "fractures". Now, as we all know, Kreia was very knowledgeable in the Force and overall. Therefore, my presumption is that Kreia was much more adept at the perception and exploitation of shatterpoints than Windu, since she is much more knowledgeable as I have said above.
So, I think that Kreia would be able to defeat Windu, since her mastery of the Force was much more powerful than Vaapad, which even Windu thought would've resulted in a stalemate between himself and Sidious, who at the time was far more inferior than Kreia.
Also, whoever said that Windu was one of the greatest Jedi the Order has ever known, I think you are confusing him with Master Yoda.
NOTE: I might be a fan of Kreia, but I do not think she is unstoppable (as several Windu fans believe he is).