TBH, not sure about my SBP example, tho, as I'm not that familiar with all his appearances so I'm not sure if he's had time-punching "showings" but you get my drift.
Why did you crop that panel and remove it from its proper context?
Waverider was only 'struggling' to freeze time in that panel, because he was freezing ALL time throughout the ENTIRE limbo zone(a place where time was already unstable to begin with): http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums...zpsf32ba192.jpg http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums...zps344a44f8.jpg
He froze an entire limbo dimension in time. Very few characters(if any) below Skyfather-level have temporal manipulation feats on that level.
So yeah... Freezing Surfer in time should absolutely work.
When has WR ever done this in a fight? We don't argue powersets here.
I mean if Surfer's frozen in time, how is his energy even going to be manipulated? It's not that he's simply paralyzed, his body (and thus energy is literally frozen in time as well). Is WR going to somehow "exclude" Surfer's energies and then manipulate it?
Edit. And yeah, it's arguable whether or not Surfer can do nothing to a time stop.
Last edited by Nibedicus on Jul 7th, 2013 at 02:14 AM
Again, extent is the only difference here. It alludes to some conscious effort at maintaining a time stop. The larger the area and the more "insistent" the time in that area, the larger the effort. A contained "freeze"(I mean how does that even work? Wouldn't freezing a small contained area while allowing the rest of the universe move kinda rip that area out of the proper time flow?) might not take a lot of effort at all, but he can't maintain it forever. Unless you have on panel "showings" of WR holding a time freeze indefinitely, my point stands.
Also, posted something prior to that, would like a reply to that, too, please.
Last edited by Nibedicus on Jul 7th, 2013 at 02:15 AM
Basically, via the logic you're presenting, WR would be able to solo an UNLIMITED number of ANY Trans character with no known Time-manipulation resistance "feats" (a rare enough ability to find anywhere). Unlimited Thanos', unlimited SBP's, unlimited DP Tyrants as Surfer has better time-manipulation/perception "feats" than any of them
Freezing time around a single individual=/=freezing time across an entire limbo dimension. The latter is unquestionably more difficult/impressive than the former(by a vast margin.) Just because I struggle to press 400lbs, certainly doesn't mean I'll struggle to press 50lbs.
Not trying to be a dick, but your rationale/logic here sucks, tbh. It literally makes no sense at all. I also find it... Bothersome that you cropped a single panel from a page and attempted to ignore/pass-off the context behind the entire scene(you didn't think I'd catch that, but I did.) Hopefully it wasn't intentional, because if so, that's abhi-level stuff right there.
Try lifting that 50 lbs. Hold it up for 1 minute. Then hold it for 10 mins. Now hold it for an hour. Just because something is easy to do, doesn't mean you can do it indefinitely. The only difference is how long due to the "extent" of the difficulty.
Which is my point when I said:
Hope that clears that up.
I also don't understand why you don't seem to get where my logic is coming from. I understand where you're coming from, but you seem to be in complete refusal to accept anything I say, almost to the point of simply glossing thru what I post and picking the parts you don't agree with and ignoring the contexts in which I provided to explain my logic.
Case in point:
Seriously?
You're getting:
"Trying to hide the context of the scene and hoping you don't catch it" (I find that laughable since it's pretty obvious that you know more about WR's "feats" that I do, I find it insulting that you think I'd be stupid enough to pull something like that).
And not:
"He cropped it to not clutter his post and to emphasize the panel of the page that proves his point."
This seems to indicate that you've already made up your mind about what my intentions are in posting in this thread.
Especially when I said this:
As the term "entire limbo dimension" wasn't specifically mentioned in the pages of the scans I found you'd forgive me for not mentioning it.
Last edited by Nibedicus on Jul 7th, 2013 at 04:32 AM
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