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Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Ironfist is over-hyped on the forums, IMO.


Indeed and it just came out of no where all these Iron Fist posts.


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simple batgirl not nearly as skilled. would makes batgirl skileld his her ability to know an opponets attack with out that ability she a low tier fighter at best


She's insanely skilled. She mastered every martial art there is before she was ten. All forms and styles.

And that's not an accurate portrayal of her ability.

She's like Taskmaster. She can learn a person's martial arts ability just by looking at them. They don't even have to be moving.

She onced learned 39 extraterrestrial martial art styles by just sitting in an alien bar and watching everyone drink their beer. They weren't even fighting....

Batgirl isn't nearly a "low-level" tier fighter. She's the best of the best. She's right up there with Iron Fist.

People wrongly assume because Cassie and other DC martial artists don't have visible chi attacks (they DO have chi attacks) they must be inferior. That's far from the truth.


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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Indeed and it just came out of no where all these Iron Fist posts.


Yep. I mean Ironfist can't beat Puck for christsakes.


Did anyone think that, I don't know, an opponent can actually DODGE or parry the Iron Fist technique?


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Originally posted by Draco69
Yep. I mean Ironfist can't beat Puck for christsakes.


Did anyone think that, I don't know, an opponent can actually DODGE or parry the Iron Fist technique?


Just to make it clear; I'm one of the main people arguing for Iron Fist in these threads, and I don't believe that he could beat Puck. As I mentioned, Puck is invulnerable. I was just arguing that Danny could keep up with Puck, as far as speed goes.


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well, IF has a comic coming otu soon so i guess he will have some better showings

but, as for this fight goes, i personally dont think IF would win, he is a little undeveloped, mentally atleast

and dd is just too ravenous

but i dont think IF is overhyped. perhaps misunderstood

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Originally posted by Draco69
She's insanely skilled. She mastered every martial art there is before she was ten. All forms and styles.

And that's not an accurate portrayal of her ability.

She's like Taskmaster. She can learn a person's martial arts ability just by looking at them. They don't even have to be moving.

She onced learned 39 extraterrestrial martial art styles by just sitting in an alien bar and watching everyone drink their beer. They weren't even fighting....

Batgirl isn't nearly a "low-level" tier fighter. She's the best of the best. She's right up there with Iron Fist.

People wrongly assume because Cassie and other DC martial artists don't have visible chi attacks (they DO have chi attacks) they must be inferior. That's far from the truth.


really now so why was batman afraid to let her go on the streets after she lost her ability? why has batman comment that with out her ability she really is nothing. why has battman commented that her defences are terrable. I wish I read bat man so I could post the scanns of theses events.

She all hype she not nearly that good. with out her ability batman was afraid she get killed on the streets.

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Originally posted by Draco69
Yep. I mean Ironfist can't beat Puck for christsakes.

Did anyone think that, I don't know, an opponent can actually DODGE or parry the Iron Fist technique?


Bah! I wasn't annoyed with that, people have said majority Daredevil beats Puck. It's the comment about Batgirl actually that did it.

Yeah that's what I said in the Iron Fist vs. Puck thread


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really now so why was batman afraid to let her go on the streets after she lost her ability? why has batman comment that with out her ability she really is nothing. why has battman commented that her defences are terrable. I wish I read bad man so I could post the scanns of theses events.

She all hype she not nearly that good. with out her ability batman was afraid she get killed on the streets.


Um. No. That's not the reason.

Batman was afraid she had lost her FINESSE. Not her SKILL. She clearly proved that when she made a man's heart stop and restarted it again after about 7 seconds.

He clearly stated:

"Batgirl....I was afraid for you.....that you've lost your skill....."

He was clearly wrong and he said so.

Batgirl didn't lose her skill at all. She was just so reliant on her ability to read bodies that her skill was sloppy and slow. Lady Shiva implied that she just lost confidence in herself. Her skill was seperate from her ability.

Same thing would happen to Daredevil if he lost his supernatural senses. He wouldn't be able to do half the sh** he normally does if he could see like a normal person.


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Um. No. That's not the reason.

Batman was afraid she had lost her FINESSE. Not her SKILL. She clearly proved that when she made a man's heart stop and restarted it again after about 7 seconds.

He clearly stated:

"Batgirl....I was afraid for you.....that you've lost your skill....."

He was clearly wrong and he said so.

Batgirl didn't lose her skill at all. She was just so reliant on her ability to read bodies that her skill was sloppy and slow. Lady Shiva implied that she just lost confidence in herself. Her skill was seperate from her ability.

Same thing would happen to Daredevil if he lost his supernatural senses. He wouldn't be able to do half the sh** he normally does if he could see like a normal person.


what issue was this? I need to read up on batgirl I was always under the impresstion that she with out her move reading ability was no more skilled then robin


also why does she not do very well vs slade? Slade no overly skilled he jsut superhuman and yet she has yet to defeat him if im not mistaken

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what issue was this? I need to read up on batgirl I was always under the impresstion that she with out her move reading ability was no more skilled then robin


Absolutely not. She's the top dog next to Richard Dragon (who also possesses Cassie's reading ability) and Lady Shiva (ditto).

This was clear throughout the run of her book.

Reading bodies can't give you the skill to stop and revive hearts or deflect bullets out of midair with your fingers.....


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also why does she not do very well vs slade? Slade no overly skilled he jsut superhuman and yet she has yet to defeat him if im not mistaken


Because Slade is superior to her in every fashion except skill. He's far stronger, far faster and his "I use 100% of my brain" schtick allows him to think faster than Cassie can. And he's a pro in skill too.

Cassie's the better fighter but Slade's out of her league....


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Absolutely not. She's the top dog next to Richard Dragon (who also possesses Cassie's reading ability) and Lady Shiva (ditto).

This was clear throughout the run of her book.

Reading bodies can't give you the skill to stop and revive hearts or deflect bullets out of midair with your fingers.....




Because Slade is superior to her in every fashion except skill. He's far stronger, far faster and his "I use 100% of my brain" schtick allows him to think faster than Cassie can. And he's a pro in skill too.

Cassie's the better fighter but Slade's out of her league....



Slightly off topic


Ive heard that before
Slade usin 100% of his brain

What i fail to understand is how that is an advantage


Alot of people dont know this
but humans use 100% of thier brain

that whole 10% thing is an ancient myth

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Absolutely not. She's the top dog next to Richard Dragon (who also possesses Cassie's reading ability) and Lady Shiva (ditto).

This was clear throughout the run of her book.

Reading bodies can't give you the skill to stop and revive hearts or deflect bullets out of midair with your fingers.....




Because Slade is superior to her in every fashion except skill. He's far stronger, far faster and his "I use 100% of my brain" schtick allows him to think faster than Cassie can. And he's a pro in skill too.

Cassie's the better fighter but Slade's out of her league....

what a good run to pick up of bat girl? I only really red bits and pieces.


slade not really even a pro fight he a swash buckler. He would you call a guy who uses gunning and speed to win a fight. He has some pritty low end showings of fighting skill and any good martial artist like night wing and batman give him hell.

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Slightly off topic


Ive heard that before
Slade usin 100% of his brain

What i fail to understand is how that is an advantage


Alot of people dont know this
but humans use 100% of thier brain

that whole 10% thing is an ancient myth


In comics, it's an advantage. He can recite the Bible, while swordfighting with James Bond, watch the entire Star Wars Trilogy and LOTR trilogy back to back, solve a calculus problem, reread all Harry Potter books, and invent a new type of nanotechnology.....all at the same time.

Each cell in his brain can contain as much information as one normal human brain.


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Originally posted by capt it up
He has some pritty low end showings of fighting skill and any good martial artist like night wing and batman give him hell.


last part si very true

nightwing gave him a hard time

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I honestly see Iron Fist taking a good majority, though. As I've mentioned: in the recent fight with Daredevil, Danny was holding back, Matt was pissed off, AND Danny wasn't even fighting in his own style - he was emulating Matt's.



Matt wasn't in peak condition since his senses were messed up. IF not holding back. The guy busted out the friggin IF technique.

Also Danny did not do the IF tech to let him know he's Danny. Thats why immediatly later he stated, "Aren't you in Ryker Prison?" He used it because DD had the upperhand, considering DD landed more hits on Danny.

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Matt wasn't in peak condition since his senses were messed up. IF not holding back. The guy busted out the friggin IF technique.

Also Danny did not do the IF tech to let him know he's Danny. Thats why immediatly later he stated, "Aren't you in Ryker Prison?" He used it because DD had the upperhand, considering DD landed more hits on Danny.

dany landed hits on DD as well

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Have they met in combat besides this instance? erm.

Twice before, actually. The first time, DD got the better of Fist. The second time, was inconclusive, but Matt didn't seem to be taking Danny too seriously.

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dany landed hits on DD as well


Yes but DD landed more.

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Slightly off topic


Ive heard that before
Slade usin 100% of his brain

What i fail to understand is how that is an advantage


Alot of people dont know this
but humans use 100% of thier brain

that whole 10% thing is an ancient myth


i think the idea is that he uses his brain to 100% capacity.


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Yes but DD landed more.

ya and DD was fighting blood lusted not to mention IF was fighting DD while mimicing DD style.


So DD hitting more proves nothing

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