Can you possibly direct me to them? Or tell me what page they're on? Just telling me that they've been posted doesn't help me find them. No offense at all, of course.
Utterly dominated yes, but although Juggernaut's durability and strength had dropped significantly Thor was NOT able to knock him out. I guess Thor could have done with more time, though.
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i posted the scan in the 'who's strongest thread', or 'marvel's strongest' or something like that. should be in the first couple pages of the forum. and thor did beat him pretty badly but did NOT ko him inside the minute he had. seems pretty clear that given only a few more seconds he likely WOULD have ko'd him though . . .
Juggernaut IS Class 100, but his usual strength doesn't seem to be as high as Thor, Hercules, or the Hulk. He seems to be near them, but not as high (IMO).
Hercules is also C-100 according to his official Marvel.com Bio. Just in case you don't know this means he can lift/press in excess 100 tons(200,000 lbs). It also says that he can't die from conventional means for obvious reasons. He must suffer from large scale incineration to die.
Juggernaut's Bio says the limits of his Cyttorak-given Super Strenth aren't known. It also says he is seemingly invincible and that he can go without food water & oxygen forever.
Thor's bio says his strength is greater than most of the Superhuman race. But we don't know if most includes Juggernaut.
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As Tshern noted though, in the scan's it states that Thor's hammer didn't negate Juggernaut's forcefield, but *all* mystical energies within the cocoon. That would've affected Juggernaut's strength, durability, forcefield, unstoppableness, etc.
Thor was effectively fighting the weakened Imposternaut that has been running around the last few years that almost everyone has humbled.
Finally someone sees this I was just about to comment on this.
Juggernaut's shield isn't to give him his invulnerability its most often just used as a sort of barrier if Cain doesn't want anything touching basically thats the only time he ever puts it up and the time he fought Thor and used it to slow Thor's hammer.
In the second fight where Thor negated Cain's power he basically broke the connection between Cain and Cyttorak although he couldn't completely stop it which is why Cain still possessed some of his strength.
In the 8th Day saga Cain wasn't amped just stronger and calling on more of Cyttorak's powers. Which many editors have stated he can do on a regular basis if he is focused enough on doing something. 8th Day was him just showing the concept that most people already knew.
As for Juggernaut's strength it is considered to high on many people's minds. Basically even Editors for the Hulk at one time have stated that Juggs is probably stronger since he can call upon the limitless power of Cyttorak and that he probably is stronger then Hulk. Is it clear cut then that Juggs is stronger than Hulk no but what it does show is that many people consider Juggs to be in at least the same strength class as Hulk and Thor as Cain even said once a comic he was a "least" as strong as Thor was when Cain tried to pick up the hammer.
In his fights with the Hulk one was a draw as the fight never finished as the X-Men just so happened to show up when Cain's helmet was off. In the next fight Cain basically beat the tar out of Hulk be it the Professor Hulk though. The other time was when Hulk fought Cain as War which in many peoples mind doesn't count as a straight up fight as Hulk was at the time amped up on Celestial Technology.
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