if you know anything about gandalf then u would realise he is an angel, is not allowed to use full potential (freedom of will) and if they were fighting thanthey would be in the same universe so then avadra kadarvra would be known to gandalf
staffs beat wands
gandalf doesnt need to shout out his spells
gandalf has so much more experience
He's not an angel, he's a Maiar names Mythrandil. And he would be brougt back from Arda until he defeated Voldemort. He'd be smart enough to destroy all Horcruxes also.
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How would he even know about them? the only reason Dumbledore knew about them was extensive research into Voldie's past and knowledge about him as a child.
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Indeed, Gandalf or the Maia named Olorin in the West (Valinor) Mithrandir by the Elves was very powerful. But even assuming the two would meet, if he did not win by his power alone in the initial meeting I think Gandalf would die and stay dead.
The reason he was bought back in the books was because of his sacrifice, because he offered his life to give the others a chance to survive. It was only he who could have held back that Balrog and he gave his life willingly to do so. As such he was taken up by a "higher authority" (higher than the Valar) and enhanced and returned. I doubt this divine intervention would occur in any other circumstance.
All that is by the by, my point being that as much as I like Gandalf the "he'd just come back from the dead" argument is a little flimsy as it was an exception when it happened. Not the rule.
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Gandalf, much like many of the "uber" character's in LotR, has power that is only implied or alluded to, his feats do not begin to compare to that of Voldemort's.
And what I say is fact. People like to hype up Gandalf, Saruman, or Sauron to the point where they can fight actual powerful characters like Palpatine, Ganondorf, Voldemort, or even friggin Superman(I wish I was joking), but fact is...They never did much that was as impressive as their opponents.
The two magics aren't strictly comparable, with Tolkiens universe being more subtle in magics use and potency. Tolkien says himself that Gandalf can, if he must act as a sort of angel to aid in situations but does so sparingly and with little un-nessecary Flair.
In contrast Voldemort, and JKR's style of magic is very overt and very fancy. Even if the two are compared as equals Voldemort would be perceived as stronger magically, as we see more of his magical strength in the text.
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Not at all, I'm saying its essentially a question without an answer that will always be subject to the individual viewers bias. Without a clear point on which they can be compared as equals the question cannot be negotiated to a proper answer. Its the same with most cross-fiction questions. Neither side is right or wrong, assuming both can support their views.
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I have to take issue with that. His accomplishments aren't as flashy, but they are more impressive. If we compare their enemies, Gandalf's enemy (Sauron Lieutenant of Morgoth) is a much more powerful foe than Harry potter, toddler extraordinaire. It took Voldemort seventeen years to get even a semblance of a victory over potter, but then he came back to life. Gandalf destroyed Sauron within two (timeline would help) years of his retaking Mordor. He was powerful enough to 'strive' with the second most powerful force for evil in Arda (Sauron).
This shows that he is on the same power level as Sauron.
Given: Harry Potter > Voldemort
Sauron > Harry Potter That's a given
Gandalf > Sauron Proved by the passage
Gandalf > Harry Potter Substitution
Gandalf > Voldemort substitution property.
In Tolkien's world the strongest magic is unseen and unheard. Like when Gandalf dispelled Saruman's possession of Gandalf. The power came from his death and rebirth i.e. his transformation into Gandalf the white allowed him to dispell Saruman's spell.
Also when Mordor cursed Hurin and the curse played out into the lives of Hurin's children. In LOTR magic is far more powerful than in Harry Porter, it's just not flashy. I don't think Voldermorts showy spells would do much against Gandalf, at least not when he brings to bare his holy magic (as he showed with the Nazgul), anything evil is repelled by it.
EDIT: It should also be mentioned, that Gandalf isn't a man or a mortal like Voldemort, he's actually a Mair, an immortal angelic being who willfully took on the form of an old man.
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Voldemort is just some douche that got owned by a nerdy teenager. Gandalf is an angel, he has divine powers at his disposal and is infinitely wiser and more experienced. This isnt even a contest.
Even though by feats Gandalf has not done shit to even rival Voldemort?
So he can break a staff.
Wow. AMAZING!!!!
Simple spells in HP can incinerate objects or living things.
So he can dispell a possession.
Harry did that too, only it was a possession on him, so Harry's feat is better.
No proof at all Gandalf could survive Avada Kedavra, I mean for Christ's sake, Saruman, who was still technically a Maiar, was killed by a friggin KNIFE wielded by Wormtongue! Their shells are not so durable.
Yes, in Harry Potter Kadavra kills instantly but against the power from Voldemort against Gandalf, Voldemort doesn't stand a chance. There is probably power stronger than Kadavra in LOTR, and most likely Gandalf posesses it.
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You missed his point.
The point is that for all of the Maiar's "power", their physical bodies are mortal. They can be hurt, and killed. There spirit will live on but their body will die, and they can't choose to come back whenever they want. Gandalf's resurrection was a special occurrence. Middle Earth needed him, and so he was given a second chance.
So we should assume that there is "probably" a spell in LotR more powerful, and that Gandalf "most likely" possesses it?
How about no?
Gandalf is like Saruman in that both are Maiar, and both of their mortal shells are destructible, and as my ward stated, they cannot come back as they please, Gandalf's resurrection was a direct intervention from the Valar was it not?
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