Also for anyone who wants to know if Supes can speedblitz Mags before he gets his shield up read this:
I hope this helps
First lets assume that superman generates a constant force as he travels all his might (since He doesn't get stronger when using all his might). This means he should have a constant acceleration.
If superman can fly to jupiter in about 3 minutes. Then he can travel about 4.2AU (This is the closest distance jupiter and earth can be and 1AU=93000000 miles or 93000000x5280ft) in about 3 minutes. So d=.5a t^2 (assumming beginning distance and velocity are zero)which implies that a=2d/t^2= 22,915,200,000ft per sec^2. But t=sqrt(2d/a)=.000004sec if d=20ft
Thus if they start 20ft from each other then superman can cover this in .00004 secs (or 4 hundred-thousandths of a sec). Where as a 600mph bullet can cover 20ft in .023 sec (t=d/r).
So superman can cover a distance of 20ft over 540times faster than that of a bullet.
Man that is fast. His speedblitz rules.
So Supes definitely can speedblitz him before a shield.
well i dont have scans as i dont own the comics but i did read them and i do have issue numbers..the most recent is Action Comics #827 in it Dr. polaris split personality takes hold again and he thinks he's a woman named repulse..and you actually see them showing imagery of repulse. now repulse goes on a rampage and attacks ppl wit magnetic powers, starting with Aura, then Repulse turns her attention on Dr.P and commences to beat the shit out of him. which in actuality its him pulling a "fight club" and is beating the shit out of himself. then superman intervened and polaris did exactly what i said.
not to mention in JLA #59 when a jokerized Dr.P was owning the shit out of the entire league, and was dropping old sunken ships on superman and f ****ing with the league by doing of all things controlling the iron in their blood(yes supes too)
the other ones the issue numbers escape me,(early-mid90's) but they were really old school. i tried scouring supermanhomepage looking for it, for they had a synopsis, but i didnt have hours to spare, but polaris was bat shit insane once again and superman tried to stop him, and he lashed him with an EMP that gives him a proper mind f ****, something along the lines of a super duper migraine and it also did something to his super hearing IIRC
you could be either lying, misinterpreting, or greatly exaggerating the comics.
You must show proof
Why has no one but you seen this. I mean I've read a hell of a lot of superman comics but never remember seeing the things you are talking about. Maybe I missed it (but I doubt it).
This is absolutely incorrect. Please refer to the thread you originally posted this equation in. I posted three CLEAR examples FULL OF CONTEXT, where it is seen that although Superman can eventually reach faster than light speeds, he cannot do so from a dead start. In other words, you assume that the moment Superman decides to, he can immediately attain these superspeeds. He cannot. If he could, he wouldn't have let people be executed by gunfire in Superman #208. Superman hears the bullets being fired and flies off to save them. They were in the same city and he couldn't reach them in time, "He specifically states, sometimes being faster than a speeding bullet isn't enough." It involved people being killed and there's no way you can chalk that up to him holding back his speed. In 'Sacrifice,' he would have blown away the entire castle when he hit Wonderwoman going at those kinf of speeds in 'Sacrifice,' but only blew out windows (indicates mere sonic boom and therefore supersonic speeds). He was not holding back against what he thought was Doomsday in the slightest. And MOST ON POINT, in Superman #217, he would have saved Jimmy much quicker, in fact instantaneously, in a comic that explicitly states he was not holding back his speed but it takes him the entire length of a conversation. You can track exactly when Superman decides to accelerate from hearing his signal watch, to how much dialogue runs by, to when he saves them including an in-depth caption analysis of how he IS NOT holding back any speed whatsoever, even though it might devastate his surroundings.
Point is, from a deadstart, Superman does not end battles with 'speedblitz.' You only assume he can accelerate at a constant rate because you expect it to be so. But it is clearly not. The same way a car covers a distance of 1 mile in one minute, you cannot assume from that fact alone what the car's acceleration rate was at all stages of travel. You assume 60 mph from start to finish. He may have gone 70 mph at one point, he may have started at 5 mph at the very start. Most likely, the point at where he starts, he's peeling rubber on the pavement and inching very slowly and only gets up to 60 mph after 5-8 seconds given high-end sports cars. You simply don't know and you SHOULD NOT assume. The examples I posted CLEARLY show that he cannot attain the speeds you posted from a dead start. Not only this, but I can reconcile this with all the other so-called speed feats he has shown.
Let this signal the death of 'speedblitz' as we know it. At best, Superman from a deadstart can do a 'supersonic blitz.' Now, if he were to get a headstart, that's a different story, but your post has weaknesses and assumes too much. Read the references I posted and you will see exactly what I'm talking about. In fact, everyone here at KMC ought to see those references and make up their own minds. 'Speedblitz' is overrated. For a lengthy discussion and debate with several opponents full of scans and comparisons, refer to pages 5-8 in this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...mp;pagenumber=5
The only thing that separates a person from knowing physics is their lack of understanding of acceleration and force.
VELOCITY (OR SPEED) DOESN'T EQUAL ACCELERATION!
That is one of the reason why people get F's in physics.
Definition: Acceleration -the rate at which the velocity of an object is changing.
Velocity - the rate at which the position of an object is changing.
Fact 1:
Superman has a finite amount of energy within him to do work.
Thus if he is using his max force then the force he is using is constant.
Thus the acceleration is constant (not speed). Because force = mass x acceleration
Fact 2: A car will always have a constant acceleration on a evenly smooth road if one presses the pedal to the metal.
This is because the car is exerting a constant force.
If you still don't get it then don't worry. I will try to say it in more elementary way.
Superman's acceleration is the same means that
Superman's rate of speeding up (going faster and faster) is the same. That means he will increase his speed at a constant rate.
Thus my calculations as shown in the previous post shows that his max acceleration is 22,915,200,000ft per sec^2 (note the sec^2 is not the same as sec).
Note: This means that his speed will increase by 22,915,200,000ft/sec for every second that goes by. So in 0 sec he will be going 0ft/sec and after 1 sec he will be going 22,915,200,000ft/sec and after 2 sec he will be going twice as fast.
And with this acceleration (not speed) he can cover 20ft in .000004 sec.
Now the reason why he don't use his max acceleration often is obvious.
The writers don't want him to.
But one reason to rationalize this is:
Superman limits his max acceleration at short distances (less than interplanetary distances) because his reflexes are not great enough to discern when to stop. So he chooses to fly at the max discernable acceleration. Otherwise he will simply be out of control and kill someone.
the point was to show what attacks superman was susceptible to, in fact in all instances supeman ended up beating him..as usual. i never intimated in any way thay polaris ever scored a victory, but he has disabled him. thats why i think magento could squeeze a couple of wins bcuz he's not bat shit insane like polaris is, and he doesnt leave room for his eneimes to recover cuz he's thier battling his other selves. and as far as "lying, misinterpreting, or greatly exaggerating the comics." there is no incentive for me to do that, for it is just lame. so I dont think you all should brand me as a liar bcuz i dont have the scans...well...thats rather insulting
You seem to have a firm grasp of physics. But let me ask you this one simple question. A car has travelled 1 mile in 60 seconds. In other words, the car's average velocity or speed is 60 mph. Tell me the car's velocity/speed 1 second after the car hits the gas pedal. Your equation appears to allow for this. So please tell me. After I hear your answer, then I will respond.
Simply because you make all your posts a mile long, doesn't mean you're impressing anybody with your faulty logic. Seriously, get over yourself. You're not breaking any grounds with your posts and you're not 'opening people's eyes' as you might like to think you are.
Your knowledge of Superman's speed is built upon upon three instances, which tells me you don't read very much Superman.
Here, Lois is shot at by a gun AT POINT BLANK RANGE. Superman was clear on the other side of Metropolis AFTER the bullet was fired and he still caught it before it hit Lois.
Now I will tell you why your reliance on your equation is absolutely wrong with regards to how you measure acceleration ability. Because in my head, I thought of a situation where I hit the gas and for one full second, I peeled rubber and the car did not actually move. The tires spun in place because they lacked grip, like a drag racing car whose tires smoke. Afterwards, during several seconds of my travel, I actually increased my speed to 80 mph to make up for the lost seconds of time at the start. Thusly, in such a situation, I still covered 1 mile in 60 seconds and such a situation is absolutely different from your predicted result.
Therefore, your reliance on the equation is faulty, because it is not an actual measure of what occurs at any given point during the travel. It only gives an average measure.
Not that it has to do with your argument - but I'd like to point out that the equations CAN, in fact, be used to model an actual situation. You just have to take into account the rotational motion as well as the translational, and take into account the coefficient of kinetic friction time the normal force. Obviously, it will increase at a constant rate till the burned rubber is enough to grasp the pavement.
But....
Such a situation CAN be modeled with almost perfect accuracy using these 'worthless' equations.
Ummmmm I've never been much of a science whiz myself but I'm gonna say that since Magneto can effect the Magnetic field around him and yank out the Iron in people's blood, that he does the same to Superman. Just a redneck here, but I do think that Superman would have Iron in his diet if he ate human food.
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