He has none of the qualities that the heralds have, all he has is strength and speed and durability with eye beams.
I'll say it one more ****ing time. When Superman can bend reality, bend time, bend space, bend the molecular structure of another being or change an object into something else, dimension hop, teleport, take over minds, create life, attack someone's soul, absorb energy or ANYTHING other than "punching hard and flying fast", then he'll be a Herald. But, until then, Superman is a ****ing high level middle character.
Honestly, I see the Astro Force as I see the "force" in Star Wars. No one in another universe has any defense against it because it doesn't exist there. I mean, it IS the wrath of the source.
I even said it'd go through Strange's shields, and I actually think it would.
In a slug fest, Orion is above Hulk because he's got the near unlimited strength plus superhuman speed and skill, too.
Honestly, though, if Orion hits anyone other than Sentry on the team with a full AF blast, it'll kill them. Check out the times when Orion let out a full force AF blast, it killed every character it ever hit.
His most recent stuff, which is as stinky as shitty shit gets?
Should i go to his JLA stuff for his average?
His New Gods stuff from the 90's?
His occasional shitty appearance in Legion?
His Simonson stuff, which was his highest end, but still not head and shoulders above the assembled power of this team?
Or should i go to his Kirby stuff, which would have him literally stalemating Herc, while getting his ass handed to him by Hulk and the others en masse?
His highest showing ever no powerups around, was his Cosmic Oddy stuff, and that had Fate taking control of his power.
His average isn't above the team, which was my point entirely.
Sentry throws him into the sun, which works to the favor of averages, since Sentry does that alot(Mighty Avengers makes a joke about it), and we know Orion can't take that kind of thing.
Team wins.
I repeat, the only way this works out to Orion winning is if you take only what you like, and throw away the rest.
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hell, if Orion really wants them dead, he'll just turn his MB off. God help you if you have to fight Orion with his full rage........... As anyone who knows New Gods knows, the motherboxes are very powerful. So.....when you take into consideration how much of Orion's rage is held back and contained by motherbox and the fact that he has some of Darkseid's power........Orion isn't a berserker without his MB, he's pure killing machine. Orion can beat down most of the JLA, the dude is that freaking powerful.
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-sigh- He's depowered while on the JLA because D.C can't have someone who's better than Superman on the same team as superman.
Actually, his 90's off-earth/new gen appearances were pretty awesome. ('cept on new gen, where even superman and his powers are nothing special and quite the norm
hehe...I remember him getting k.o'd nearly by accidently flying into the ship's side.
I don't consider Simonsons' run Orion's best showings. Early 80's and 90's were just as good, sometimes better. Like when he beat the hell out of Lightray...who is basically Silver Surfer.
Sure he is.
How the hell can Sentry throw someone who is as strong, fast and pretty much his equal into the sun?
Uh, no.
PIS=Showings that don't make any sense considering the character's powerset/intelligence.
IF we went by EVERY showing, Dr.Strange --who most consider near skyfather-- would be be at IronMan's range. Strange has been beaten by friggin' thugs with bats before. Should we count that even though he's survived unharmed in the middle of a supernova? No.
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Lightray is pretty damn powerful. You brought up stuff that is either PIS or in a team book where he's toned down. And that's not his average.
3 of those guys named could solo this team. Mantis has only one weakness, his enormous energy requirements. He eats almost any kind of energy up.
Orion has the Astro Harness, he can fly pretty damn well. And it's a part of him, he can take it out anywhere, anytime. So Sentry throws him to the sun? As if that would stop him. Orion has endured the firepits of Apokolips, much much worse than most suns.
Orion can take a sundip. You greatly underestimate the new gods.
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You are officially retarded. You obviously can't read and have no comprehension of anything DC. **** this, it's not worth debating with a complete nimrod. My parents told not to pick on mentally disabled people.
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As anyone who knows New Gods knows, the motherboxes are very powerful. So.....when you take into consideration how much of Orion's rage is held back and contained by motherbox and the fact that he has some of Darkseid's power........Orion isn't a berserker without his MB, he's pure killing machine. 
Orion can beat down most of the JLA, the dude is that freaking powerful.
As if that would stop him. Orion has endured the firepits of Apokolips, much much worse than most suns. 
You are officially retarded. You obviously can't read and have no comprehension of anything DC. **** this, it's not worth debating with a complete nimrod. My parents told not to pick on mentally disabled people. 
