Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Not that I disagree... but...Are you using one of the worst stories ever to prove your point?
(excerpt from the official Marvel handbook - 2006)
🙂
Aside from some comedy involved,
the arc was on point concerning Marvel's cosmplogy.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I forget... but was that actually said to be 616?
Dormy only remade the 616 Reality,
but Dormy/Umar had the power of the Multiverse entire.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
And, at that time,
Eternity was considered universal I believe
(ignoring pocket dimensions, etc.
I think there may be a couple references calling it multiversal,
but it was generally considered a singular universe)
And in this Defenders arc,
they are definitely dealing with the power of the Multiverse.
I got like 10 scans ready. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
so, wouldn't it be ret-conned if it is 616,
and wouldn't everything universal be ret-conned as well
(back in the 80's, etc)? I mean, that story happened like 15 years after IG.And, continuing on the last part... if it was 15 years in comic time, or even a year... a lot of changes could have happened in 616 that would bring upon more stuff in the 'once' thought universe. Which wouldn't make it a ret-con, but it would be a 'different' universe so to speak.
What Dormy saw, was the totality of Eternity's power,
which is located in the 616 Reality.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
there is no such thing as marvel omniverse,
that is just authors throwing around unwaranted terms.
marvel is at max, a megaverse.
Four On Panel illustrations depicting the Marvel Omniverse!
Not just "authors throwing around unwarranted terms" ... it's actually illustrated.
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(excerpt from the Earth-X Trilogy)
"The Omniverse"
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(excerpt from Exiles)
"I offer the Omniverse"
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(excerpt from Infinity Abyss)
"An Infinity beyond Infinity"
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(excerpt from X-Men Die by the Sword)
"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"
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Who to believe? srugdoped
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Darth Goober did his homework right here,
if you're interested in yet a greater depth of what just Marvel Multiverses are like:
Originally posted by darthgooberIt turns out
that the Marvel Multiverse DOESN'T have an infinite number of universes within it....
it has MORE than an infinite number(look at the middle narrative box in the last panel of the first scan
for the actual statement regarding it)....
Originally posted by leonheartmm
lucifer wins, his power is beyond multiversal level and reaching megaversal.
IG makes one "God" beneath the LT in Marvel.
Cross-company cosmic battles are phewy.
Originally posted by Bentley
Isn't there a panel stating that two mega verses spin in the LT's hand?
"He (LT) sits at the CENTER of ALL things,
feeling the flow of countless Realities,
their FATE irrevocably determined through the judgment
rendered by HIS (LT) Three Faces"
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"the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him, (LT) for he (LT) is its Heart,
ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny,
a Destiny SPUN by HIS (LT) mighty Hand"
"A Hand (one hand) soon opening
to allow (LT's in control) 🙂
TWO Brothers to assume their pre-destined Roles as Architects of New Realities ...
and ONLY this Judge (LT) knows why" (only the LT)
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stoned
Bio reference:
According to the On Panel narrative,
notice evidently the LT also spins the "Alpha & Omega" on his hand as well,
that's the "Beginning & End" of everything.
LT ... is no joke.
Originally posted by King Kandy
It's actually the guardians of two megaverses in his hands,
not the megaverses themselves. But it's still a tremendous feat.
Although one can hold the embodiment of a Concept
without the need to have the actual concept they represent on one's hand.
Like this scenerio:
Still though, because it is a representation of said Concept,
it carries the full weight of said Concept's power.
So indeed,
the LT held in one hand the power/spirit of Two Megaversal embodiments conceptualized.
Originally posted by King Kandy
It never says that. Not even once,
you know as well as I do because we've had this dicussion before.
It does say they are Guardians/architects of the megaverses,
but never embodyments.
The Brothers are exact copies of the original Brothers,
the look, the history, the purpose, the occupation, even the darn Name. 😂
Just because one detail was omitted
doesn't mean we can't fill in the obvious detail,
when we simply compare every other character trait (seriously it's ridiculous)
between the original & retcon Brothers.
They're not guardians like Roma/Merlyn
otherwise they wouldn't be creating these Megaverses,
no,
they're guardians like the original Brothers were, who just happened to also be embodiments)
That's how the original Brothers created the Two Multiverses,
by exploding their bodies in battle which personified Time/Space in both companies.
That's also how Eternity (prime Multiverse) is re-created,
by Entropy exploding his body which personifies Time/Space.
Originally posted by King Kandy
So basically all you have is speculation?
Originally posted by King Kandy
You didn't even add "IMO" like usual.
The related indirect evidence is overwhelming.
Originally posted by King Kandy
You can't theorize that,
when the only bio statement and on-panel discription implies overwise.
Reason this out for me though:
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Commonalities betweeen the Original Brothers .... and the Retcon Brothers.
They have the same Name ... (Brothers)
The have the same Look (exact replicas)
They have the same job (Architects)
They serve the same purpose (Guardians)
They have the same personal story (The Brothers battle)
They even use the same weapons (Swords)
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The fact that not only were the Brothers Conceptual embodiments,
but they share every single other trait with the current Brothers
including their historical relationship. (they Battle with Swords) 😂
Original Brothers:
Current Brothers: (retconned 3 months after the originals)
Isn't it obvious?
This isn't proof enough they're supposed to be the
same Brothers (embodiments)
with the exception that they're Megaverses now?
As you wish. 🙂 Merry Christmas good friend.
megaverse= comic book reality. ive stated this before. omniverse=all realities of all comic book/media. an omniverse wud include all things including dc/vertigo/transformers/street fighter etc etc.
hence the term makes no sense, unless marvel can break copyright laws. it is simply miuse of a term. marvel, like all other realities which are more than a single multiverse is a megaverse. nuthing more. tribunal logically can only have two UNIVERSES on his hand. as marvel only has one multiverse, along with different realms, the beyond realms, and the void.
lucifer beats them both.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
megaverse= comic book reality. ive stated this before. omniverse=all realities of all comic book/media. an omniverse wud include all things including dc/vertigo/transformers/street fighter etc etc.hence the term makes no sense, unless marvel can break copyright laws. it is simply miuse of a term. marvel, like all other realities which are more than a single multiverse is a megaverse. nuthing more. tribunal logically can only have two UNIVERSES on his hand. as marvel only has one multiverse, along with different realms, the beyond realms, and the void.
lucifer beats them both.
You just decided that marvel has one multiverse. Then from that you decided a bunch of other stuff, just by philosophising without a bit of evidence. Why should we bother listening to you say why you're right and marvel is wrong? This debate is about LT, not "leonheartmm's opinion."
How about the next thread is "leonheartmm's Opinion Vs. Reality"?
Originally posted by King Kandy
So basically you just decided what the "hidden truth" behind all the statements are?
You think
"Well sure the on panel evidence says this,
but you know I think it's better the other way.
So obviously that's what they meant."You just decided that marvel has one multiverse.
Then from that you decided a bunch of other stuff,
just by philosophising without a bit of evidence.
Why should we bother listening to you say why you're right and marvel is wrong? This debate is about LT, not "leonheartmm's opinion."How about the next thread is "leonheartmm's Opinion Vs. Reality"?
Anyways, KK making sense. 🙂
megaverse= comic book reality.
lucifer wins, his power is beyond multiversal level and reaching megaversal.
so....Lucifer is bordering megaversal (yoru definition) but the cosmic second to only one and commanded by the Supreme Being is not ?
explain to me how that works
megaverse= Marvel company in your view
LT = second strongest cosmic being in ALL OF MARVEL
so why does he not have megaversal power ?
mind you you have no idea what you're talking about and your views are outright disproved by canon but i'll play your game and beat you at it
Originally posted by Mr Master
We discussed it before and what happened?The Brothers are exact copies of the original Brothers,
the look, the history, the purpose, the occupation, even the darn Name. 😂Just because one detail was omitted
doesn't mean we can't fill in the obvious detail,
when we simply compare every other character trait (seriously it's ridiculous)
between the original & retcon Brothers.They're not guardians like Roma/Merlyn
otherwise they wouldn't be creating these Megaverses,
no,
they're guardians like the original Brothers were, who just happened to also be embodiments)That's how the original Brothers created the Two Multiverses,
by exploding their bodies in battle which personified Time/Space in both companies.That's also how Eternity (prime Multiverse) is re-created,
by Entropy exploding his body which personifies Time/Space.
YOu are wrong. The original brothers where NEVER the gaurdians of thier Megaverses. They didn't even know that they existed until they woke up. THe Spectre and the LT were said on panel in the story, to be the gaurdians of the verses. The original brothers were the embodiments, NOt the brothers. Marvel retconned the brothers into the gaurdians and NOT the embodiments.
Omniverse IS and has ALways meant all things Fiction in the world of Science fiction and Fantasy. IN the world of the omniverse include, street fighter, nija turtles, comics, video games, movies, books, etc. Marvel's omniverse is NOT the true omniverse. It is thier own Name for something that really is just a bigger mutliverse. When you get down to the specifics, ONe multiverse can be as expansive as Marvel's omniverse since it could be truly infinite universes. Same as Marvel's omniverse really is just infinite Universes when you get down to it.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
YOu are wrong.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The original brothers where NEVER the gaurdians of thier Megaverses.
First time, they became a Multiverse each because of it.
Second time around, they stopped and became friends.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
They didn't even know that they existed until they woke up.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THe Spectre and the LT were said on panel in the story,
to be the gaurdians of the verses.
The LT is the Judge of the Omniverse, not it's guardian,
LT has never been its guardian.
Get that mis-information out of here.
The Brothers can't be "guardians" in the sense that Roma is,
cause that contradicts Roma's status/position, it also makes her title a moot fact.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The original brothers were the embodiments, NOt the brothers.
Marvel retconned the brothers into the gaurdians and NOT the embodiments.
Why would Marvel change a minor detail
when Marvel decided to copy EVERYTHING else from the original Brothers.
Originally posted by Mr MasterCommonalities betweeen the Original Brothers .... and the Retcon Brothers.
They have the same Name ... (Brothers)
The have the same Look (exact replicas)
They have the same job (Architects)
They serve the same purpose (Guardians)
They have the same personal story (The Brothers battle)
They even use the same weapons (Swords)
I forgot this one ...
They have the same Relationship (Siblings)
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The fact that not only were the Brothers Conceptual embodiments,
but they share every single other trait with the current Brothers
including their historical relationship. (they Battle with Swords) 😂Original Brothers:
Current Brothers: (retconned 3 months after the originals)
Isn't it obvious?
This isn't proof enough they're supposed to be the
same Brothers (embodiments)
with the exception that they're Megaverses now?As you wish. 🙂 Merry Christmas good friend.
Isn't it obvious? (even under your biased scrutiny)
