wow if that was the extent of his supposed training i take it back for it doing him any good when fighting logan..
unless a bear can start clawing swiping from various directions and can counter parry and jump kick when he gets mad,,,,, i tell you these writers these dayss..
why do ppl think wolverine's berserker rage equals a foaming animal who scratches and bites wildly without any higher fighting skill intelligence i mean how many times has a berserker logan bn shown processing information and counter reacting to stimuli with more then basic animal clawing and biting?
i can name a few times where he has grappled, tossed, jump kick and taken the time to breath in and enjoy the final fatal claw stab.. may have bn feral and or berserker
That`s almost funny. X was throwing him around, stabbing him trough his stomach, cutting his head etc the entire fight. Totally onesided in Mr. X favor as usual
Now that is funny. MA fighters can match a holding back Spider-man on their best day with Spider-man jobbing to them. I swear a guy can fight for 500 years but KMC memebers would still think he's not a skilled fighter because he didn't take karate lessons...
Spider-man is a very skilled fighter, that's why he is able to trash someone like say Iron Fist while holding back. I didn't see IF read Spider-man like a book when he was getting punched in the face. Neither did Daredevil when he got oneshotted by Parker. Or Kingpin, or Bullseye, or Deadpool etc. Take Scarlet Spiders. They have all Spider-man's powers plus fighting skills programmed by Taskmaster himself. Did it do them any good? Spider-man was strangling one of them and easilly beat the crap outta the Vultures that were trashing the Scarlet Spiders. MA is terribly overrated on KMC. A guy can be a great fighter without knowing the pressure points simply because he spend every day of his life fighting. Add super powers and you get Spider-man.
With powers X loses. Without them Spider-man stomps him 100000000/10 with his eyes closed and both hands tied behind his back.
Yeah, to the point when Logan went berserk and X's powers became useless, only proves my point. Once that happened Logan had him on the ground with his claws in X's face. Took him one move to do that. Iron Fist did the same once he found a way pass X's powers.
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Well going by his random feats and fights he doesnt need it, his powers plus years of fighting exp more than make up for lack of ma training. And him easilly beatin the best ma fighters once he stops holding back proves it. And that only works for chi amps, just knowing MA doesnt count as super power.
I know. X stabbed him several times after dodging his attacks, once Logan went berserk he instantly dropped X who was smiling for God knows what reason, since Logan's claws were in his face. 1/10 second later he would've been cut to pieces if Logan didn't stop.
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Going by the things MAists can do in comics it is definately a superpower.
Spidey`s record against skilled people is actually pretty shitty. Anything else is pretty selective reading.
Funny. 1/10 sec is still plenty of time for someone like X to react. Plus Wolvie`s claws were back at his shoulder, look again. X was just trying to goad Wolvie farther into the `zerk. C`m on, you know better than that.
and talking about selective reading Wolvies HF can be brought to the max but as soon as someone makes a thread that would really bring him to that level of damage certain people here like to ignore that.
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Only if we're talking chi amps like say Karate Kid and Iron Fist. Punching through brick walls, dodging bulets, moving fast and jumping far doesn't count as superhuman abilities by comicbook standarts.
Normally (like 80% of the time) the MA fighters stalemate against a holding back Spider-man and get wtfstomped by "pissed off"/"holding back less than usually" Spidey. So not really.
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Wolverine had him on the ropes, X was on the ground and Logan was on top of him. X was unarmed and helpless. Saying that X by some miracle would've prevented Wolverine from gutting him at that point and from that position is absurd. He's no Quicksilver.
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Well I already knew the same 4-5 people who say Spiderman loses in every thread would show up. (Not necessarily referring to the first poster I'm quoting).
C'mon, only 1% faster? That's absurd. We all know in comics that artists have liberties with the main characters and will have them do things in their own comic like moving with shadows and everything else. Put them in a similar setting and Spiderman will be faster. He's not only done more feas, and more impressive feats, (ones I haven't seen matched by the other peak streets) he does them more frequently and with ease without holding back. He has a lighter body with far more strength to propel himself, and more flexibility to enhance his range of movement without his body trying to slow him down to prevent injury. Does anybody really think that someone like Batman or an even slower character is only 1% slower when they are all going all out at KMC? I think not. If that's the case then Wolverine is as fast as Batman and Nightwing too, since all of his supporters argue him as being faster.
Why can't we say their "MA" training might help them move a bit more fluidly but it doesn't remove their natural speed limitations.
Who do you think Spiderman beats? I don't think I've ever recalled you saying he wins in any match?
I have stated numerous times that his powers is a very nice package and that with proper training he would be an absolute beast. However what he represent in comics is in part youth and potential. Cap and Wolvie will always be like daddys to him.
Who can he beat? Uh, Elektro, Mysterio, Rhino, Scorpion, Vulture, Green goblin, Dr Octopus.. lots of guys.
He is good but since he relies on stats the extremely good are his achilles heel, even ones with far lower stats than him.
Beast suffer a bit form the same. He is more skilled than spidey but still relies too much on agility/speed/strengt hence gets beat down frequently. It is in fact harder for someone with super stats to develop skills, they can do without them most of the time. Smack down 30 armed guys every day without breaking a sweat, all you learn is to rely on super speed and acrobatics.
I think people misunderstand the animal thing. He not saying that animal = berserker wolverine. He saying that animals don't think out there attacks it all instinct. He trained his body and mind to automatically lock onto there brain patterns, to the point he reflexivly blocking each attack they make as there making it. He used animals to do this becuase there not thinking of the attacks there just doing it.
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