Originally posted by batdude123
Was gonna respond, but I saw Paul already backed up my statements.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Well PR does have seniority...
Originally posted by batdude123
He's made it quite clear to me that he's against what you're trying to say. 😬
Originally posted by batdude123Tell that to to the folks who say Superman in the first nanosecond uses a FTL speedblitz with dozens of planet-busting punches. And that's even in threads where there is CIS.
Think about it like this, you don't see anybody in a CIS-free thread argue that Superman is going to vibrate his opponent out of existence, or T-Vo him into oblivion (at least, not anymore). A character going all-out with no-CIS doesn't mean we cherry-pick obscure feats that are hardly, if ever duplicated.
And and he still hasn't even performed that feat once on panel. /offtopic
Originally posted by batdude123
Lmao.If it makes you feel better, you can hold onto that until Paul overrules it. 😂
I'm just unsure as to whether or not that's his intent because he hasn't yet and it's come up a couple of times before this I believe.
CIS off does not mean debaters control a character as they would in a tournament. It also does not mean a character will fight out of character. I'm not sure if prior chats were misundersood.
Pr and I discussed things a while back and this is what was decided:
Originally posted by -Pr-
[B]Clarification of CISOk people, here are the finalised rules as regards PIS, CIS, and everything related to it.
PIS is, as always, off unless the thread starter says it's ON.
CIS, as was said before, is now a more diverse term, but is not as vague as before.
While CIS still exists in the form of characters like Rhino (who are just too stupid to know better), it also exists in one other form.
This is known as Character Inhibited Power. This applies to characters that have intelligence, like the Silver Surfer, Superman, and so on and so forth.
As Bada said:
"It's a self imposed limitation in certain circumstances which there is concern for civilians and buildings for the most part. It's not stupidity, it's a limitation set until the threat exceeds a certain threshold."
What this means is that people like the Surfer and Superman and so on will not use the full extent of their powers if it will endanger civilians. It doesn't, though, mean they will fight like idiots. The character's personality is an integral part of the match and dictates how they will perform. This is the crux of the rules we've come up with. It doesn't come down to powers, it comes down to the man or woman that weilds them.
In accordance with this, several factors come in to play in debates:
The Opponent, Basic Information, the Arena and the Character's Personality and Experience
Those four are key.
Example:
If Martian Manhunter fights say, Juggernaut.
MM doesn't personally know Juggernaut (Opponent). So he has Basic Information. This is categorised as being what the general public would know about the Juggernaut. It goes by averages. If that average man or woman on the street knows that Juggernaut is super strong, then MM knows. The average man or woman doesn't know, however, that the Juggernaut is weak against psionics. J'onn would approach with caution, not knowing whether Juggernaut was in his weight class, and not knowing the full extent of the man's powers.
However. If Martian Manhunter went up against Amazo, he would know to go for broke right at the start, because he KNOWS Amazo (Personality and Experience). He will use his speed, his strength, his shapeshifting. This is because if he knows what it takes to bring down Amazo, or he believes his standard attacks won't work. If J'onn was fighting Juggernaut, there would come a point when he would realise that normal attacks won't work, and would up his game. Any character that doesn't suffer from Rhino-esque stupidity is capable of this. Even with this, though, the Arena comes in to play. If civilians are in danger, J'onn won't shapeshift in to a fire breathing dragon. Juggernaut on the other hand doesn't care, so wouldn't hesitate to toss cars and trucks full of civilians at the Martian.
Examples:
Thor knows he can't out-brawl Hulk, so uses exotic powers sooner than he would against the likes of Superman, as Superman is an unknown to him.
Superman would go all out against Doomsday or Despero because he knows how powerful they are. Against the Hulk, he's going to take a few punches before realising he'll have to use something rather than slugging it out. He won't bathe the street in heat vision either, because there are civilians nearby.
It ALL comes down to the CHARACTER, not the POWERSET. [/B]
As a general consensus, one time feats aren't used.
Edit: And when a mod makes a ruling in a thread, the discussion should end there in that thread. It doesn't mean "Let's keep arguing points until another mod comes along."
Originally posted by Badabing
CIS off does not mean debaters control a character as they would in a tournament. It also does not mean a character will fight out of character. I'm not sure if prior chats were misundersood.Pr and I discussed things a while back and this is what was decided:
As a general consensus, one time feats aren't used.
Edit: And when a mod makes a ruling in a thread, the discussion should end there in that thread. It doesn't mean "Let's keep arguing points until another mod comes along."
Also I wasn't trying to ignore pr's ruling, I was just making sure that he was actually making one as opposed to just giving an opinion(sorry if it seemed that way pr). But all that kind of discussion is better saved for a more appropriate thread so I'll take my questions regarding what this means for everyone there.
Hasnt it been both shown and stated that superskrull druing and post annihalation is a somewhat different character than before?
More aggressive and a better tactician, it's no coinicidence that better applications of power have been shown.
The instances of brain bubbles have been post annihaltion too.
Thereby, using current versions of characters it's entirely reasonable that he'd use that tactic, especially when fire and pounding dont win him the fight.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Also I wasn't trying to ignore pr's ruling, I was just making sure that he was actually making one as opposed to just giving an opinion(sorry if it seemed that way pr). But all that kind of discussion is better saved for a more appropriate thread so I'll take my questions regarding what this means for everyone there.
mmm
creative and ruthless use of force fields is within SS's morality and intellectual capacities. why should it be banned as a viable tactic in the forums? getting rid of PIS should be enough to warrant that it's a tactic within his repertoire. it's not a different power that shows up when the plot requires it like t-vo either, he uses the force-fields all the time and usually does so in far more brutal manners than sue, stabbing, crushing and slicing his enemies