Im sorry but to truly test a characters strong will he needs to be strong with or without his powers and sorry to say that is not superman. heck superman has been saved and escaped desth through luck or help like whem imperiex almost turn him to ash. heck imo batman has the greatest will because with or without powers and gadgets he almost always conquers the odds even against beings with power. superman on the other hand without his powers he was at the mercy of that dork jimmy olsen and was at his knees agaisnt muhammed ali. without his powers he is useless ,just ask lex, unlike batman. even captain america has shown a stronger will. The only thing superman has is a strong sense of values and his morality code, which based on his ego in fallen god, its put into question.
They were evenly matched and their powers didn't decide who won Thanos' will did.
The ig made them pretty much equals while they fought for total control over reality. Thanos won via his will power.
What occurred in Final crisis which was his greatest feat of will power ?
Warlock knew Thanos was going to win the conflict because Thanos coupled with that kind of power could only be defeated by himself. No one beats Thanos with that kind of power and strength of will.
Since you won't leave the thread let's see direct comparisons to both Kyle and Batman. Kyle looks superior to Superman as does Batman.
Doesn't matter . Both the goals required the same ends , i.e. overriding the will of a CCU . Thanos did it on his own . The Goddess needed the will of all sentient life in the universe to do the same .
So , as I said before , its safe to say that Thanos' will is possibly the strongest(or at least among the strongest) in the Marvel Universe .
Aren't we forgetting something? Goddess had 30 CCUs and the will was needed to break the combined will of CCUs. So again not comparable. I've no problem with thanos having one of the strongest wills in MU.
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That is nice and everything Quan but I can show you also Batman's will broken in EJ. And Batman's will failing temptation in Absolute Power.
Also Kyle was the best suited for such a task as He is well, you know very experienced into handling energy + will.
Plus Batman's, Hal's and SM are among the most powerful wills in the DCu.
All of them have that kind of will, but if I were to think that in a forum fight vs a multiversal abstract entity with infinite will, Superman can win with nothing but rocks?, well I will be flirting with fanboyism.
Which it seems You have no problem thinking Thanos could do it.
Speaking of which and this is using the Example in IG
and to give you a better analogy so you can comprehend my position.
If I wanted to destroy and ant, I just have to step on it.
If I want to destroy a human, is not as easy as to just use my boot and step on it.
And bear with me because this is a complete fictional example.
Now if the ant, even after I stepped on it I have failed to kill it, well it means the ant has an insane amount of will to even challenge me.
The Human with his size and his power does not need the same amount of will to challenge me, because We are in even terms, The ant has a huge handicap which somehow You can't see.
Yes, and I could show you more than one example as well. Batman and Superman are equals when it comes to willpower although I'd give him a slight advantage.
I agree Kyle has more experience with will power and is better suited to the task than Superman. Kyle>Superman when it comes to this. Glad you agree and so willingly.
I'd say Hal has the greatest will in the dc universe personally. I think he's above Superman and Batman. If we throw in their powers Lucifer stomps him even more so. Lucifer is smarter than Superman by about ten miles. The only way I can make it fair is if I eliminate powers. You still agree Superman loses.
It's also consistent within my beliefs he's in the top upper tier of willpower. You yourself agree Superman doesn't beat Lucifer under willpower alone.
Your analogy fails because Thanos and Eternity weren't ants to each other in the scenario. Their power was comparable and Thanos won due to his superior willpower. If you think Eternity is an ant to the ig you need to read marvel comics.
Superman was just retaining his will and he was aided by the Spectre. I also showed you his will easily being dominated by the Trans. You can't accept one and not the other. They all go into the pot. Batman is a peer to Superman not Lucifer.
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There is no point getting into that. Having those amounts of will is actually pretty good.
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You are so funny Quan, I do not agree to that. I agree to will + energy. If is only will Superman wins.
Intelligence is not measured in miles, Modok. And if You think Hal's will is above?... well, You think a lot of things that are wrong, so one more is not really changing anything. You are used to that anyway.
I agree based on a hierarchy level, not because of actual panel feats. But now that You are going to start playing along this lines. You will have to question if anything done by Lucifer is his own free will or if he is just following the will of the creator.
No and like I said is based on hierarchy, not based on any argument or feats You have presented here. Because You have not shown anything so far, that is more impressive than an ant fighting vs a human with will only.
Sometimes I do wonder where did You learn to read or if my english is that bad, that I cannot explain properly the analogy. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but based on previous talks with you. I have started to think the first option is the one dictating your responses.
Yes, Superman has strong willpower but the magic still hurt him and the feat isn't impressive at all. It's not like he was completely depowered. The older Superman showing isn't canon to Ne Superman.
Yes, in that instance le lasted longer than the others. But in the Trans instance he went down easily. Batman and Hal lasted longer than he did. That means all these guys are peers and depending on the day/scenario they are all better/worse than each other. I give Hal the benefit over them alll because his powers are always tied to his willpower.
Lucifer simply wouldn't go down to the Trans. I don't see him faltering in any of these situations to be honest.
Supes willpower is powerful enough to resist possesion from a magical entity powerful enough to have the Spectre in trouble (comments on his dreamworld prowess)
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