Wrong - claws did leave marks actually (just before Hulk breaks one set of them), even though they didn't made him bleed. That's more than bone claws did to Prof.
You'll note that it was me who pointed out that only one Hulk incarnation had ever been shown as durable enough to resist Logan's claws without being cut.
Suggesting that Wolverine being able to casually cut straight through the Hulk's skull is an outlier is not the same as claiming that Hulk "no sells Logan on average."
In your hurry to wade in, you may have failed to notice that the Wolverine examples were just one facet of a comparison between different Hulk incarnations.
Wolverine's adamantium claws have explicitly failed to cut the Hulk's skin under at least three separate writers, arguably four. All four instances were the same Hulk incarnation - the savage/childlike Hulk. He's never failed to cut any other Hulk unless sans adamantium.
That's not the same as being able to casually implant six claws straight though his skull, of course...
Speedfreak went through him like a hot knife through butter. How is that an impressive showing of durability for Hulk?
I'm looking at that page right now. The claws leave no mark at all. Hulk mocks the idea that "puny bone claws" can hurt his skin.
It's certainly true that Peter David attempted to ret-con the healing factor in. But it's very debatable as to how successful he was at getting other writers to follow that take.
The most recent retelling of that original fight once again states very, very explicitly that Logan's claws did not cut the Hulk's skin. There's also been at least one (arguably two) fights long after the ret-con in which Wolverine was unable to penetrate the savage Hulk's skin with his claws.
On another occasion, Hulk received only a minor cut on his arm, iirc.
Pay more attention to it then. Skrullverine's claws did leave the non-bleeding marks.
I'm not bullshitting you as it was a subject of discussion in other threads. Marks are visible. Similar as to what adamantium claws did to Ulik, except Hulk wasn't in any pain.
Original Sin? Daniel Way contradicted himself by including a flashback from that fight later that showed claws actually leaving marks.
Okay... so how exactly is the merged Hulk receiving a minor cut only to be completely disemboweled later on more impressive than how other Hulks have fared against adamantium attacks?
I don't think you are "bullshitting" me. I do think you are wrong though.
Before I go into detail on why, let's clarify. I assume you are referring to the art detail in the red box on this page, correct?
Do you have an issue reference for this? Because of these are "marks" like the ones you refer to from Hulk #8 then I'm not particularly inclined to think they contradict anything...
At any rate, the point is that Peter David may have tried to ret-con the classic Hulk's durability as a healing factor, but it didn't stick. Certainly not with any kind of consistency. Numerous writers have ignored it since.
Really? Because it seemed like you did. And that same incarnation got stabbed to ko. Seems fair. Colossus has had Logan's claws unable to cut him in at least two instances. He has been cut too. Just like Hulk able to just no sell his claws is an extreme outlier in other direction. Just like colossus being able to do that. Somehow every hulk incarnation after PAD is less durable than savage hulk even though it makes no sense. Two of those instances are just one instance. Wolverine origins 28 is retelling of Hulk 181. That leaves just Wolverine 145 which suggests Wolverine is not strong enough to cut hulk. Which goes against several years of established continuity. But that's average for you.
Just like Hulk being able to just ignore his claws in Wolverine origins 28.........
Yes, well, as anyone who has interacted with you knows by now, how things "seem" to you and how they actually are can often be wildly different things.
When has Colossus been cut by an unamped Wolverine, out of interest?
It's nowhere near as extreme an outlier and I'm sure you know that.
Apart from anything else, Wolverine being unable to pierce the Hulk's skin has occurred under multiple different writers and on more than one occasion. Even in the numerous examples in which Wolverine can cut green skinned Hulks, he's never been able to do more than surface damage. In one of your own examples, Wolverine conceded that though he can pierce Hulk's skin, he cannot do significant damage beyond superficial cuts and has to target the vulnerable eyes.
There's a huge discrepancy between being able to cut the Hulk and being able to easily spike clean through his skull.
I'm fully aware of that. As I said, Wolverine has failed to cut the Hulk under at least three separate writers, not separate fights. I know subtle distinctions like that often have to be explained to you.
The point is that at least one writer sticks strongly to the original, claws not cutting, take decades after Peter David tried to ret-con it.
There's also the fight from the Wolverine/Hulk: Six Days mini. Wolverine lands multiple clean claw strikes and there's no evidence of any cuts or blood (although Hulk doesn't seem to enjoy them too much). Wolverine ends up trying to stick his claws in Hulk's mouth as he isn't doing any damage.
Go on then... Aside from PAD's attempted ret-con, what "established continuity" of Wolverine cutting the savage Hulk was there in between IH #181 and Wolverine #145?
Again, at no point did I suggest that Wolverine failing to cut the Hulk is the average depiction. Quite the opposite.
Once again, I stated quite clearly before you leaped in full of self-righteousness that only one Hulk incarnation had ever been portrayed as durable enough to resist being cut by the claws.
I wonder how many times I'll have to repeat that as you try to construct your strawmen?
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