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No anime here


They make dbz comics noob


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It was the opening shot and a bit of a surprise so it wasn't really DURING combat, but Surfer flew up, grabbed Nova Prime by the throat, and threw him so fast/hard that Rich thought Galactus had hit him with an energy blast so it's still a pretty good combat speed feat given Nova's speed/reflexes.


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It was the opening shot and a bit of a surprise so it wasn't really DURING combat, but Surfer flew up, grabbed Nova Prime by the throat, and threw him so fast/hard that Rich thought Galactus had hit him with an energy blast so it's still a pretty good combat speed feat given Nova's speed/reflexes.


Now this guy knows what I am talking about.


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It was the opening shot and a bit of a surprise so it wasn't really DURING combat, but Surfer flew up, grabbed Nova Prime by the throat, and threw him so fast/hard that Rich thought Galactus had hit him with an energy blast so it's still a pretty good combat speed feat given Nova's speed/reflexes.


Do you mean that Surfer performed a charge ?

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Now this guy knows what I am talking about.


Despite his admission it wasn't really during combat? Lol.

Agenda alert! Agenda alert!


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Combat speed should equal travel speed.

Per op child goku moved so fast humans couldn't see him.

As for the thread seems like a veiled attempt at some underhandedness.


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Combat speed should equal travel speed.

Per op child goku moved so fast humans couldn't see him.

As for the thread seems like a veiled attempt at some underhandedness.


No Goku in this thread. Also, I'm not talking about flight here aka bullrushing. I'm talking pure combat speed.


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Despite his admission it wasn't really during combat? Lol.

Agenda alert! Agenda alert!


I'm not talking about that part of his conversation, I'm talking about him referencing DURING COMBAT. I'll provide an example of what I'm looking for shortly.


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No Goku in this thread. Also, I'm not talking about flight here aka bullrushing. I'm talking pure combat speed.


Y not. Per your own op you stated"no zoom,flash"..goku has a comic book depiction so not sure y i cant use dbz. Plus you keep saying you'll provide an example and this thread is four pages in. Get on with it.


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Y not. Per your own op you stated"no zoom,flash"..goku has a comic book depiction so not sure y i cant use dbz. Plus you keep saying you'll provide an example and this thread is four pages in. Get on with it.


Because this isn't about Goku or any other Anime character. Finding things like this in Anime comics isn't hard at all. I want this thread to be challenging. So no anime characters, all DC, Marvel and Image.

I cant find anything.


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Do you mean that Surfer performed a charge ?

Grabbing someone by the throat and throwing them is more than simply "charging". If he'd preformed the throw at human/regular speed he'd have been seen and not mistaken for an energy blast.


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There's the famous Superboy feat against Mordru.

As he fires off a magic bolt, Superboy gathers sand, fuses it into a bubble, packs the LOSH into the bubble, and takes off into the time stream. All before the bolt hits the ground.


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Because this isn't about Goku or any other Anime character. Finding things like this in Anime comics isn't hard at all. I want this thread to be challenging. So no anime characters, all DC, Marvel and Image.

I cant find anything.


Meh. Combat speed fallacy. This argument ever comes up in the foreign cinema forum because this is all dbz tards have as a unit of wanking to place against us comic characters. I think the idea that travel speed and combat are different is idiotic when they are fundamentally the same. Both require reaction time, perception and speed. So it's obvious to anyone whose not cheerleading that if Surfer can fly thru meteor showers that he should be able to avoid punches. American style comic art just doesnt depict "blur lines" as haphazardly as manga does. But if you're still looking for an example scroll back to the 1st two pages. Its laden with them


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Grabbing someone by the throat and throwing them is more than simply "charging". If he'd preformed the throw at human/regular speed he'd have been seen and not mistaken for an energy blast.


It's a charge.

It doesn't matter what he did with his hands.


http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic.../english/charge

B2 [ I or T ] to move forward quickly and violently, especially towards something that has caused difficulty or anger:
The bull lowered its horns and charged.
The violence began when the police charged (at) a crowd of demonstrators.

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Meh. Combat speed fallacy. This argument ever comes up in the foreign cinema forum because this is all dbz tards have as a unit of wanking to place against us comic characters. I think the idea that travel speed and combat are different is idiotic when they are fundamentally the same. Both require reaction time, perception and speed. So it's obvious to anyone whose not cheerleading that if Surfer can fly thru meteor showers that he should be able to avoid punches. American style comic art just doesnt depict "blur lines" as haphazardly as manga does. But if you're still looking for an example scroll back to the 1st two pages. Its laden with them


Vulcan flew faster than light. Are you sitting here telling me that he has FTL combat speed? Flight and combat speed are completely different imo.

The scans in the first two pages did not present what I was asking for.

DBZ isn't in this thread. Please stop using this. I dont understand why people always think everything involves an agenda.


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It does matter, as it proves his hand speed.

Surfer's also charged through a prison built of vibranium and rigged with explosives, to grab and pull out Nova (Another hand speed feat) before the signal to the explosives could trigger.


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It does matter, as it proves his hand speed.

Surfer's also charged through a prison built of vibranium and rigged with explosives, to grab and pull out Nova (Another hand speed feat) before the signal to the explosives could trigger.


We are discussing combat here. I'm sure Spiderman can make a sandwich at super speed. Something fighting back against you is a different story.


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That was during combat. With the Skrulls, who had Nova imprisoned (And Galactus helpless to act.)


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Meh. Combat speed fallacy.


It's not a "combat speed fallacy".

if you had any notion about what an hand-to-hand fight is you wouldn't shout that "Oserver / Cruelestashley" XD


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This argument ever comes up in the foreign cinema forum


It comes from people knowing what they are talking about...

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because this is all dbz tards have as a unit of wanking to place against us comic characters.


Personal attacks against dbz fans or carver doesn't make your points valid.

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I think the idea that travel speed and combat are different is idiotic when they are fundamentally the same.


So you are saying that running and flying are the same as trading / avoiding / blocking blows ?

Please elaborate. XD

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Both require reaction time, perception and speed.


Trading blows =/= running or flying no matter how hard you are trying to make a definist fallacy.


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So it's obvious to anyone whose not cheerleading that if Surfer can fly thru meteor showers that he should be able to avoid punches.


No.

Navigating through meteors is different than avoiding punches.

So by your logic Alain Prost whom can drive at over 200 km/h can avoid Bruce Lee attacks because he is accustomed to moving at high speeds ?

Please elaborate.



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American style comic art just doesnt depict "blur lines" as haphazardly as manga does.


Nobody talked about "blur lines" but yourself.

Nice strawman.

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But if you're still looking for an example scroll back to the 1st two pages. Its laden with them


I'm glad I answered to that post.

Besides a poor attempt at bashing him you actually have an erroneous logic.

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We are discussing combat here. I'm sure Spiderman can make a sandwich at super speed. Something fighting back against you is a different story.


Something fighting back is usually irrelevant if they aren't on the same level of speed.

If Spiderman can make a sandwich at super-speed, he would wreck an opponent that can't make a sandwich at super-speed--all other stats being equal.


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