Bottom line: It was so lame nobody even cares about it, save a few desperate, drooling Wolverine fans. Oh, and ... Punisher > Wolverine.
__________________ "he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole." - King KAN explaining how Batman could defeat Thanos and Galactus
Deadpool gets the first drop on him, only escapes because DP rambles
Same with the second encounter
They engage in a fistfight underwater, punisher only survives because cops shoot at them before DP can pull the trigger on the gun he has right to Frank's forehead. As they both flee punisher cuts his achilles tendon and DP passes out underwater and wakes up tied up in Punisher's apartment.
Deadpool is hanging upside down, tied up, and cuts himself free. Throws the knife into Puns gut and tackles him out the window. He is pummeling him when an arabian guy whacks DP with a bag thingy to get him off him and the citizens rally to aid pun and give him a gun.
Deadpool goes to flee and ends up in a cable car wreck. He jumps out and proceeds to begin kicking puns ass, when Pun gets lucky and someone takes a blow meant for him, and kicks DP into a storefront window. He leaps at DP and finds a knife to his throat. DP sees a newsflash about how the guy who was paying him to kill Pun is dead and says he guesses it was all for nothing. Punisher smashes a tv over his head and walks away.
So orestes, at what point did Pun have an advantage? At every point in the fights they had DP was winning when luck saved Punisher. Deadpool won't be rambling here, he's going for the kill and Pun has no citizens to save his ass.
... and gets shot by Pun, yes. He had Frank at gunpoint and assumed that was that. Careless and stupid. Only his immortality saved him from death on first encounter, even though he had effectively one-sided prep (he was the aggressor). Not Deadpool's finest hour.
You left out the part about how Punisher assumed Deadpool was ... well, dead ... and was no longer concerned with him. And how this was an ambush by Deadpool that he began after Frank had made a dive into the water after an UNRELATED stand-off with police. Frank was busy with them -- the first thing he knew about Deadpool still being active was surfacing to find DP in a raft looking down at him. Again, one-sided prep.
And he still botched it. Not Deadpool's finest hour.
His third attempt on a guy he's made one-sided attempts on twice in a row, and FINALLY Deadpool does something right for a change. Well, he does shine here ... at least until he for some reason decides to try a getaway on a moped ... and gets shot down by Punisher while fleeing. Not his ... well, you get the idea.
Here, you've left out how Punisher caused that wreck. Clever. Nice try.
Actually, Pun dodges that blow, and then someone else takes it. Not quite like you characterized it.
They're struggling, DP does actually have a knife out, yes, and then there's the newsflash. Okie-dokie. I'm amazed you included the part about the TV, though. I figured you'd leave that out as another inconvenient detail.
So what's your point, man? Deadpool goes after Punisher with one-sided prep on his side, and because he can't shut up, he not only blows it but gets blown away himself. He goes after him with one-sided prep AGAIN, and he STILL blows it. Pretty impressive showings ... for Frank.
Again, what's your point? That if Deadpool spent less time talking and more time attacking -- that if he were a cold, efficient, ruthless, intelligent killer who doesn't need a healing factor to help him survive his mistakes -- he'd have killed Punisher? Sure; I'll give you that. But then he wouldn't be Deadpool. He'd be the Punisher in Deadpool's body.
__________________ "he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole." - King KAN explaining how Batman could defeat Thanos and Galactus
Orestes, Punisher doesn't dodge the blow, he falls down and the guy leans out the car window and gets whacked in the head.
As for the times when DP ****s up, the point is he proved to be able to get the jump on punisher, and in a fight where he's just going for the kill instead of rambling, he would kill him.
The cable car thing I didn't leave out on purpose, I was going to bed and typing it up as fast as possible. That situation wouldnt have even happened if citizens hadn't saved his ass. Deadpool was kicking the shit out of him when the mail guy knocks DP off and another guy gives Pun the gun. You sure did like to leave that HUGE part out.
They aren't struggling, the knife is to Pun's throat, then DP rambles and Pun nails him to the TV.
Or how about how Pun surpises deadpool, they fight in the water, and DP ends up with the advantage except Frank is saved by the cops' stray bullet?
Every direct encounter where Deadpool didn't ramble, Deadpool had the advantage. Punisher only took the advantage where DP was being a dumbass and rambling.
I own the comics. I have them in my hands. By the way, that cable car line never could've snapped from those handgun bullets.
He SLIDES down the side of the car. If that was a fall, it meant that either his legs had turned to rubber due to being knocked senseless (but then why didn't he fall the rest of the way over?) or that he was just clumsy as hell (yeah, right). That's a dodge. Anyone capable of going into a crouch on a moment's notice could have done it. I could have. Perhaps not fast enough to avoid getting hit, though.
And like I said, he got the jump due to one-sided prep. Reverse the situation and have Punisher going after Deadpool, and Punisher will get the jump. Have them both going after each other, and ... probably Punisher will still get the jump.
But at the very least, you're taking two situations -- the first where Punisher wasn't expected Deadpool at all (one-sided prep for DP) and the second where Punisher believed Deadpool was dead and was further preoccupied with something else when he reappeared (again, one-sided prep) and making out like Deadpool is somehow able to get the jump on Punisher easily in any situation. That's BS. If this thread were "Deadpool with one-sided prep vs. Punisher," you'd have a point. As it stands, you simply do not. The end.
Well, no I didn't. I know Deadpool had him there. I even said that DP had finally done something right. On the third try.
I'd have to look at the comic again, but I clearly don't remember it the same as you do. Anyway, that's irrelevant. The first two encounters would have happened very differently if Deadpool didn't have (say it with me):
One. Sided. Prep.
You mean in that confrontation where Deadpool had one-sided prep on Punisher and attacked him just after he'd dived off a bridge to get away from a stand-off with police? And Punisher still surprised him? That one? Sure, it turned out the bullets they fired after him into the water also got in Deadpool's way. Well, turns out that sometimes attacking a guy when he's already up to his eyeballs in trouble can backfire on you. So what? Deadpool still had one-sided prep and still somehow managed to fail.
Almost every one of them featured Punisher doing other things and Deadpool coming after him. How many times do I have to say it? One-sided. Prep. This fight is not set up that way. If you want to make a thread for Deadpool with one-sided prep versus Punisher, go make one. I'll even vote for Deadpool there.
In fact, I voted for Deadpool HERE, assuming it's to "final death." Only if it's to KO did I say Punisher wins. And the very comic you're arguing with me about supports MY case, as Punisher scored a KO right at the very beginning, no less!
Please don't tell me you're going to start applying real-world physics to the comics. I could go on forever if that becomes fair game.
__________________ "he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole." - King KAN explaining how Batman could defeat Thanos and Galactus
Punisher didn't slide down the car to get away, he was holding his head, he didn't even see DP coming. He slid down and fell on his ass.
The part where they are fighting underwater, Punisher surprises deadpool and still can't get the advantage.
I never said DP didn't have prep when Punisher didn't, but in every situation where they were face to face and punisher had the chance to do something about it, he could do nothing of it except the first time and when shot deadpool, and the time when they were both running and he slashed his achilles tendon.
actauly stabbign wolverine in the neck would not faze him he been shot with many many machine guns up close and laughed at the guys shotting him. I wanna see a comic were punisher has beaten wolverine cuz I think ur full of shit punisher does not stand a chance. dead pool would own punisher like no other punsher would get his ass kicked al around.
xtreme x-men 25 wolverine gets hit with a granade that fires huge spikes he is fine just stands there. uncanny x-men 424 wolverine lit on fire and is fine he just stands there lol. new x-men 119 written bye stan lee wolverine gets shot all in the neck with these huge blade things he has them sticking every were he never stop smoking his cigar. he looks at the and says "you're joking bub right?". 184 WOLVERINE letts him self get machine gunned all over then they all stop and he runs up and kill them he did not even flinch when they were shooting him. 185 he does the same thing. these only a few examples I got better but i don't feel like looking for them
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