KMC Forums - AotC Darth Tyranus vs TESB Vader and ANH Obi Wan

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Originally posted by Kadesh
That is why i argue about the gauntlet vs the deflection

if there is no evidence to say that he blocked it with either his hands or dissipation, then tell me, what did he use?

Buddha Dharma on toast. The point yet again flies over your head like an airplane.

The point, of course, which was: there is no evidence that gives a definitive answer to which one he used. It's obvious, and frequently insinuated by myself, that he used one of the two. But again for reinforcement purposes (I'll probably have to state this every other sentence), which one he used is unknown.

There's enough evidence to support both claims equally, ergo no answer is correct, and as of now, you will not find any absolute or correct answer. Unless you apply extreme sleuthing methods, to which I still doubt any answer will be given (as I've checked multiple times; albeit, I could overlook a thing or two).

Why. Do. You. Continue. An. Unknown. Argument. ?.

There's really no reason. It'd be like arguing what Revan does post-KotOR, and expect to get a conclusive result on his actions. In cases like that, nothing will be indisputable. Same applies here. Simple enough to understand, Kadesh?

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i am only saying the possibility of him using dissipation, while you are saying the possiblity of him using his gauntlet to block the bolts.

Holy shit. I honestly have to be frank here, your levels of understanding things, even typed repeatedly, are very low.

They are both possibilities. I've stated this in almost every single post. I've already given reasons as to why some believe it's a possibility that he used his armored gauntlets, and yet I still say:

"I'd just like to remind you that the only position I take on the matter of "Deflection v. Glove" is: neither"

"I never said the glove theorem wasn't speculation, as a matter of fact, I said the opposite, but of course as it would apply to the whole "glove" theory, it would apply to Force deflection as well."

"Of course, I'm not saying it wasn't Force deflection, just stating for the record."

My position is simple:

- Proving that it's not absolute to say that he used Force deflection in ESB. Case: Proved.
- That it's also not absolute to say he used his gauntlets, but is an alternative view, which even furthers the above point.

Your side has been arguing views of pro-deflection. Well, that's all good and well, until you step outside of your small thought box and realize that it's not necessarily so, and there's reason to assume such conclusively.

All I'm doing is informing you of that, I repeat again: I am not arguing that it was his gauntlet. I've already stated numerous reasons for why it could've been his gauntlet, and why it doesn't have to do with deflection. In case you are really that dense, and don't understand when I say "absolute", I mean there's still a possibility for that option, but it's not definite. This may be the problem in you misunderstanding (although, I've made it perfectly, crystal clear several times).

For reference, the reasons:

1. "Before those bolts zipped halfway across the table, the Dark Lord had lifted a gauntlet-protected hand."

The novelization alludes through this line that it was his gauntlet (keyword: alludes, meaning "hints", but of course - isn't certain). 2. Another reason that would lead one to believe he used his armored gloves is because they are referenced as being nearly indestructible (see: Jedi Prince: The Glove of Darth Vader).

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But i still want to see proof that he used his gauntlet to block the bolt.

Now, the way you worded that makes the implication that I'm on the side that represents he definitely, without contest, used his gloves.

If you didn't already get the Buddha forsaken message that I've said nearly twenty times now: I'm not.

See above for reasons as to why some believe that it could've been his gauntlet. Likewise, the reason that he could've used Force deflection is quite obvious. However, they are equal in terms of having enough support behind them, and because of such, and because it's never outright stated - we. don't. know, and can't. deduce. Although, the reasons for him using his glove seem to have a tad bit more support in my eyes, but also in my views, still not enough to give the absolute answer. Which is what I've been arguing this entire time.

This is really ridiculous, Kadesh. The outcome of which one he used, at this point, is: unknown. Neither theorization is more correct than the other, or at least to the degree that we can completely deduce which it was. Accept it, quit being difficult/annoying/dumb. My points have been made several times.

And there's still nothing to argue about.