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Symmetric Chaos
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Can a machine evolve as much as a living being?

AMAZO once made himself human.

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Originally posted by Galan007
I never said he can did I?

I simply said it's impossible to say that he could not have absorbed any other powers, because he never attempted to.

But for the sake of the thread, he doesn't. He never showed the capacity to do so. He had the powers of the JLA, nothing more.

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This just sounds too stupid so if Doomsday would be a JLA member he could copy his powers but since he is not he just can't copy it?

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Originally posted by Galan007
I never said he can did I?

I simply said it's impossible to say that he could not have absorbed any other powers, because he never attempted to.

There were 35 people around him at the time. Why in gods name wouldn't he want those powers since they were about to beat him senseless?

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This just sounds too stupid so if Doomsday would be a JLA member he could copy his powers but since he is not he just can't copy it?

This isn't AMAZO in general, who apparently can do that, this is the one from JLA#27 who lost all his powers the moment the JLA was disbanded.

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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You're backing yourself into a logical fallacy

Its not possible to prove a negative. You have to provide evidence that the AMAZO from JLA27 can absorb any power he wants.

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1-Amazo
2-Doomsday
I like this train of thought, the thread starter makes the rules,and i see no problem with that, i hate when certain characters are put in a situation that does not fall in their favor but hey it happens.

Whats with the quick jabs at New members? i think Donkey Punch has alot to contribute to the boards,in my mind i would not be a fair debator if i did not have an open mind,which can be swayed by logic and comon sense even real life logic,hey i even look to the roleplaying systems from each decade from both systems when i get the chance

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Originally posted by Juntai
But for the sake of the thread, he doesn't. He never showed the capacity to do so. He had the powers of the JLA, nothing more.

Fair enough...

But,

If this is the Amazo that did in fact beat 35 JLA members, he most certainly takes this.... Because when he beat the 35 members, he had more than 14 powers.

And even if Amazo couldn't absorb DD's power, (which is impossible to say), he could still end this battle in an exponential amount of ways.

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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

There were 35 people around him at the time. Why in gods name wouldn't he want those powers since they were about to beat him senseless?

Umm, when the JLA backups showed up, Amazo DID start to absorb their powers...... (i.e. Firestorm and Black Lightning)

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Originally posted by starlock
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1-Amazo
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I like this train of thought, the thread starter makes the rules,and i see no problem with that, i hate when certain characters are put in a situation that does not fall in their favor but hey it happens.

Whats with the quick jabs at New members? i think Donkey Punch has alot to contribute to the boards,in my mind i would not be a fair debator if i did not have an open mind,which can be swayed by logic and comon sense even real life logic,hey i even look to the roleplaying systems from each decade from both systems when i get the chance

Why did you quote me to say that?

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Originally posted by Galan007
Umm, when the JLA backups showed up, Amazo DID start to absorb their powers...... (i.e. Firestorm and Black Lightning)

As they arrived they stated that "Did you hear the news the JLA hust tripled in size".

He got their powers because they were drafted into the JLA.

[edit] Huntress also mentions that he's going to wake up with all the powers of the JLA but this is before the JLA a physically next to him

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As they arrived they stated that "Did you hear the news the JLA hust tripled in size".

He got their powers because they were drafted into the JLA.

Laughable..

In any rate, it doesn't matter in this thread.

Amazo had more than 14 powers when he beat the 35 JLA'ers..

He still would beat DD, even if absorption wasn't allowed.

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Laughable..

You're just mad 'cause you're losing stick out tongue

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He still would beat DD, even if absorption wasn't allowed.

I agree the powers of 14 JLAers is enough to beat DD

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You're just mad 'cause you're losing

There's no proof that Amazo could not have absorbed those beings if they wouldn't have been in the JLA.

Just because they showed up to the fight as members, doesn't mean they couldn't have been previously absorbed.

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I agree the powers of 14 JLAers is enough to beat DD

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Originally posted by Galan007
I never said he can did I?

I simply said it's impossible to say that he could not have absorbed any other powers, because he never attempted to.

So why the hell didn't he. Its seems a bit retarded that he lost for know reason, which is what you are implying. confused

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So why the hell didn't he. Its seems a bit retarded that he lost for know reason, which is what you are implying.

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Originally posted by Galan007
In any rate, it doesn't matter in this thread.

Amazo had more than 14 powers when he beat the 35 JLA'ers..

He still would beat DD, even if absorption wasn't allowed.

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There's no proof that Amazo could not have absorbed those beings if they wouldn't have been in the JLA.

Just because they showed up to the fight as members, doesn't mean they couldn't have been previously absorbed.

I have the upper hand this time (I found the issue) stick out tongue

Superman disbands the JLA and AMAZO falls down. The first statement on the next page is "Take away the fuel and the fire goes out".

The implication of the issue and evidence within the issue points to that version of AMAZO only being able to mimic JLAers

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Originally posted by starlock

Whats with the quick jabs at New members? i think Donkey Punch has alot to contribute to the boards,in my mind i would not be a fair debator if i did not have an open mind,which can be swayed by logic and comon sense even real life logic,hey i even look to the roleplaying systems from each decade from both systems when i get the chance

Cheers mate, I totally agree, and you seem like a clever guy. I think Galan has a point that you cant use the laws of the real world to justify ones arguments in comics, but he's taken it to an absolute extreme. You cant expect everything comics to be absolutely stated by the Author. It would make comics awe fully boring. There definitely some room for interpretation in comics. And what else do we have to base our interpretations other than real world logic ? smile

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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I have the upper hand this time (I found the issue)

Superman disbands the JLA and AMAZO falls down. The first statement on the next page is "Take away the fuel and the fire goes out".

The implication of the issue and evidence within the issue points to that version of AMAZO only being able to mimic JLAers

That statement wouldn't lead me to that conclusion...

Your saying that if DD would have been fighting in that very same battle, Amazo wouldn't have been able to absorb his power.... But the moment someone said "hey DD you're now part of the JLA", Amazo could have absorbed his powers then?

Absloutely ridiculous. Even if that's true, it's sickening. sick

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Originally posted by Donkey Punch

Cheers mate, I totally agree, and you seem like a clever guy. I think Galan has a point that you cant use the laws of the real world to justify ones arguments in comics, but he's taken it to an absolute extreme. You cant expect everything comics to be absolutely stated by the Author. It would make comics awe fully boring. There definitely some room for interpretation in comics. And what else do we have to base our interpretations other than real world logic ?

There's nothing explicitly wrong with applying real world logic to comics but for it to have any validity you need evidence from in the comic to back it up.

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Originally posted by Galan007

Hunter Prey Doomsday survived onslaughts from beings far more powerful than the entire Justice League Roster. Wave-rider and the Guardians of the Universe could easily take the JLA. The only thing capable of killing Hunter Prey Doomsday was the end of the universe. smile

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